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I haven't heard of a single person dropping out due to the vaccine. Mind sharing some papers?

jmnicolas 5y ago
I don't have any scientific papers, but I can tell you it's frequent to read in the local newspaper here (east of France) about some cardiac problem on amateur football (soccer) fields. The last I read last week the guy's heart stopped 2 times before he could be rushed to the hospital. There's also a list that is circulating on social medias of celebrities that had problems after their vaccines. Is it linked? I don't know, but before the vaccines these kind of problems were almost unheard of.
- rowanG077 5y ago
  Then let's wait until we have real data before jumping to conclusions. Your environment may just be a statistical outlier. Or you are more attuned to it because of the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.
  - Leparamour 5y ago
    >Then let's wait until we have real data before jumping to conclusions. What kind of proof would convince you that the 'vaccine' is in fact the biggest blunder or the biggest planned depopulation event in history? A written confession from Arch Lector Sult?
    - rowanG077 5y ago
      a peer reviewed study in a well known scientific journal.
      - Leparamour 5y ago
        > a peer reviewed study in a well known scientific journal. Isn't that a bit naive? Hypothetically, if the conspiracy theories were true, why would an established publisher take the risk to go against a genocidal cabal? It's infinitely easier (and healthier) to align yourself with the winning side.
        rowanG077 5y ago
        Well if you believe in conspiracy theories like this you are done anyway. No amount of data will convince you since of course everyone is part of the conspiracy.
    - ben_w 5y ago
      Given there are 24 vaccines made by competing businesses authorised by the regulatory bodies of multiple independent nations that don’t all like each other (e.g. America vs. Cuba, North Korea, Afghanistan; or Israel vs. Iran), given that almost no nation has an incentive to plan its own depopulation and in many cases nations are actively trying to boost childbirth rates, given that many other vaccines are already basically universal, given that COVID-19 symptoms include lower fertility, given that nations have not even yet managed to make binding agreements on limiting carbon emissions even though this started to be a big thing 30 years ago and the consequences of failure will affect everyone? I think the simplest model which fits all that would be to start by demonstrating that I am the star of The Truman Show — there is neither the means, the motive, nor the opportunity for what you suggest in anything resembling the world we actually live in.
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- Hallucinaut 5y ago
  Myocarditis rates are something like 30x higher in COVID infection cases vs. vaccination. So even if this phenomenon was real 1) you'd have to rule out it actually being because of COVID infection, and 2) the baseline for "it wasn't like this before" should compare to what happens with the statistically inevitable infection with COVID vs. in the presence of vaccines. The reality is we have COVID, it's not going away and the effects are far worse, so this is the control scenario now.
  - marcinostefano 5y ago
    > Myocarditis rates are something like 30x higher in COVID infection cases vs. vaccination. Source of this please?
    - Supermancho 5y ago
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34406358/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34406358/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/ https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.107... https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm (influenza vaccine effect - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15976761/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15976761/) et al I'm not sure, specifically, where the 30x claim comes from. There are a myriad of studies showing a measurable increase.
AndriyKunitsyn 5y ago
CDC of US links COVID mRNA vaccines with increased risk of heart inflammation among young adult men, with a note that this is rare and these risks are smaller than risks of COVID. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/my...
- OrvalWintermute 5y ago
  the stats on it have varied from report to report around 200 to 700 cases per million. That is not "rare" as some people advocating vaccinating large populations. Given that the super low infection rate, and miniscule mortality among young healthy adult men, it violates do no harm / NNT.
  - Pyramus 5y ago
    Not really, because the risk of myocarditis/pericarditis when contracting Covid is several times larger than through the mRNA vaccines. Makes sense given that you are exposed to fewer viral particles through the vaccines. There is also a difference between Moderna and Biontech/Pfizer, which is why many countries vaccinate under 30s only with Biontech. And yes, SARS-Cov-2 will very likely become endemic, like the other human corona viruses before it. As a result close to 100 percent of everybody, including young healthy adult men, will contract the virus.

I don't have any scientific papers, but I can tell you it's frequent to read in the local newspaper here (east of France) about some cardiac problem on amateur football (soccer) fields. The last I read last week the guy's heart stopped 2 times before he could be rushed to the hospital. There's also a list that is circulating on social medias of celebrities that had problems after their vaccines. Is it linked? I don't know, but before the vaccines these kind of problems were almost unheard of.

rowanG077 5y ago
Then let's wait until we have real data before jumping to conclusions. Your environment may just be a statistical outlier. Or you are more attuned to it because of the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.
- Leparamour 5y ago
  >Then let's wait until we have real data before jumping to conclusions. What kind of proof would convince you that the 'vaccine' is in fact the biggest blunder or the biggest planned depopulation event in history? A written confession from Arch Lector Sult?
  - rowanG077 5y ago
    a peer reviewed study in a well known scientific journal.
    - Leparamour 5y ago
      > a peer reviewed study in a well known scientific journal. Isn't that a bit naive? Hypothetically, if the conspiracy theories were true, why would an established publisher take the risk to go against a genocidal cabal? It's infinitely easier (and healthier) to align yourself with the winning side.
      - rowanG077 5y ago
        Well if you believe in conspiracy theories like this you are done anyway. No amount of data will convince you since of course everyone is part of the conspiracy.
  - ben_w 5y ago
    Given there are 24 vaccines made by competing businesses authorised by the regulatory bodies of multiple independent nations that don’t all like each other (e.g. America vs. Cuba, North Korea, Afghanistan; or Israel vs. Iran), given that almost no nation has an incentive to plan its own depopulation and in many cases nations are actively trying to boost childbirth rates, given that many other vaccines are already basically universal, given that COVID-19 symptoms include lower fertility, given that nations have not even yet managed to make binding agreements on limiting carbon emissions even though this started to be a big thing 30 years ago and the consequences of failure will affect everyone? I think the simplest model which fits all that would be to start by demonstrating that I am the star of The Truman Show — there is neither the means, the motive, nor the opportunity for what you suggest in anything resembling the world we actually live in.
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Hallucinaut 5y ago
Myocarditis rates are something like 30x higher in COVID infection cases vs. vaccination. So even if this phenomenon was real 1) you'd have to rule out it actually being because of COVID infection, and 2) the baseline for "it wasn't like this before" should compare to what happens with the statistically inevitable infection with COVID vs. in the presence of vaccines. The reality is we have COVID, it's not going away and the effects are far worse, so this is the control scenario now.
- marcinostefano 5y ago
  > Myocarditis rates are something like 30x higher in COVID infection cases vs. vaccination. Source of this please?
  - Supermancho 5y ago
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34406358/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34406358/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/ https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.107... https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm (influenza vaccine effect - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15976761/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15976761/) et al I'm not sure, specifically, where the 30x claim comes from. There are a myriad of studies showing a measurable increase.

AndriyKunitsyn 5y ago

CDC of US links COVID mRNA vaccines with increased risk of heart inflammation among young adult men, with a note that this is rare and these risks are smaller than risks of COVID. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/my...

OrvalWintermute 5y ago
the stats on it have varied from report to report around 200 to 700 cases per million. That is not "rare" as some people advocating vaccinating large populations. Given that the super low infection rate, and miniscule mortality among young healthy adult men, it violates do no harm / NNT.
- Pyramus 5y ago
  Not really, because the risk of myocarditis/pericarditis when contracting Covid is several times larger than through the mRNA vaccines. Makes sense given that you are exposed to fewer viral particles through the vaccines. There is also a difference between Moderna and Biontech/Pfizer, which is why many countries vaccinate under 30s only with Biontech. And yes, SARS-Cov-2 will very likely become endemic, like the other human corona viruses before it. As a result close to 100 percent of everybody, including young healthy adult men, will contract the virus.