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I'm going to attempt an answer, but as with all things this is only my perspective and I obviously don't speak for all HN readers. HN is largely for founders w
by onion2k 5y ago
I'm going to attempt an answer, but as with all things this is only my perspective and I obviously don't speak for all HN readers.
HN is largely for founders who want to build things. That's certainly how it started, and there's still traces of that vibe around in the Show HN and startup-y threads. There's a lot more going on here now, like more code topics, AI, electric vehicles, environmental things, a little futurism, etc, but the core is and always has been startups. In itself that doesn't rule out having a reasonable conversation about cryptocurrency. There are a lot of opportunities around crypto. There are startups to found, and pain points to solve. The problem is that crypto has three significant problems for HN readers:
Firstly, a lot of people trying to make a living in crypto are purely speculating. They're not building anything. They're simply trying to "buy low, sell high". Entrepreneurs, in general, don't really have much respect for that. Founders admire and respect people who go out, found a business, and build something real that solves a real problem, even if it's a problem we don't have ourselves. Leeching off the system isn't a skill.
Secondly, a lot of crypto isn't solving a real problem. It's essentially trying to be "digital gold", but without the usefulness of gold. It's only a store of value. There absolutely are good uses for crypto, and even for things like NFTs, but most of the speculation isn't about those things. It's only the "buy low, sell high" side of things. HN is not a forex or trading forum. Again, we respect people who make things.
Lastly, no matter how you cut it, and even with the latest lightning and taproot and proof-of-stake tech considered, crypto has a massive set of problems to still to solve with its environmental, regulatory, and money-laundering issues. To be honest, to me, they look pretty unsolvable. I have a decent understanding of the tech and I can't see how you can build an anonymous system for transferring wealth around that requires significant bandwidth and CPU and not screw the planet by providing a service for drug dealers and terrorists. The fact people are trying is awesome, but I suspect they'll fail. All of the upsides of crypto are also upsides for people who want to use it for bad reasons.
All in all, cryptocurrencies are an interesting idea, and the tech seems like it could have some valid applications, but the downsides are huge. A lot of the pro-crypto people involved don't want to acknowledge that. A lot of the anti-crypto people can't see that the tech could be useful. There's no middle-ground. That makes talking about it pretty boring.
- pennaMan 5y agoThe community doing things around the ethereum / smart contracts world are certainly on the building things side of things yet they are met with the same cynical skepticism around these parts.
- orwin 5y agoBecause there is mainly two kinds of eth smart contracts: identification/verification (there was still lobbying for crypto ID being recognized by law courts last time i checked), and "new" crypto, which is 75% scams (maybe a bit less lately, but still). Sadly the ID/verification part was dying last time i checked. It's a bit of shame by association, and irrational, but i've put all crypto related-stuff in a box called "scams until proven they're not".
- onethought 5y agoDo you mean that without crypto the bad guys are unable to perform exchanges of value? How is crypto different from a Big bag of cash? Both are anonymous/trustless transactions. Cat memes and mindless YouTube videos use more bandwidth and cpu cycles than crypto ever will…
- onion2k 5y agoCat memes and mindless YouTube videos use more bandwidth and cpu cycles than crypto ever will You cannot win an argument that something is bad by pointing to something that's worse. You're just reinforcing the idea that we need to do better in both things.
- onethought 5y agoI’m saying neither are bad. This is what computers are for.
- MadeThisToReply 5y ago> There absolutely are good uses for crypto, and even for things like NFTs What do you think are the good uses for crypto and NFTs? (This is a genuine question; I've never been sure what to think about crypto.)