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Some, especially younger folks, sadly just don't know better. Maybe we just experience now the same people back than experienced seeing the new generation usin

Some, especially younger folks, sadly just don't know better. Maybe we just experience now the same people back than experienced seeing the new generation using for example C++ instead of some "straight simple lines of assembly". On the other hand's side there is for sure complexity which you actually want to pay for. Whether such call is or isn't justified can't be known upfront often times. Given that, my personal opinion on the state of web-development is that it's partly outright insanity for sure. Especially front-end things. Boy, it's just a GUI in the end! Nobody should care about the code as it should be generated by proper design tools anyway. Coding such things by hand shouldn't feed a whole industry branch instead. Creating GUIs is a job for graphics and interaction designers. They should have gotten the proper tools to get their work done (mostly) on their own. If the alleged "GUI stack" used is so over-complex that it can't be handled effectively by design tooling it's a valid question whether that technology is actually the right tool for the job. But it seems almost nobody is asking this question any more. That's the insane part.

FpUser 5y ago
>"Maybe we just experience now the same people back than experienced seeing the new generation using for example C++ instead of some "straight simple lines of assembly"" I do not think there is any similarity. Personally I've started with straight machine codes, never mind assembly. Still I gladly use any higher level tools as long as they benefit my ROI. As for GUI - back in the 90s Borland had already shown how to produce stellar, easy to use performant tools for designing GUI apps. JS public has had ages to come up with something resembling the same thing. Instead they've unleashed whole bunch of atrocities making themselves into their own victims with all signs of Stockholm's syndrome.
- denton-scratch 5y ago
  > Personally I've started with straight machine codes, never mind assembly. Me too - the first computer I used was an IBM Schools Computer. This was a thing a bit like an Apple I or something, but it had no assembler, no editor, no OS. To load a program, you typed it directly into memory in hex. I think (this was a long time ago) it contained an 8080. It had a TV output, and an integrated keyboard with flat membrane "keys". There was no storage - you had to copy stuff off the screen using a pencil and paper. I expect it cost a small fortune. [Edit] Apparently it wasn't an 8080, and it didn't take input/produce output in hex - it used decimal. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2kMIqdfyT8kC&pg=PA242&lpg=PA242&dq=%22ibm+schools+computer%22&source=bl&ots=Mn5urgJCCG&sig=ACfU3U2z6ozWe3Ap4ZkbarXywvKTxMh-pA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjX_5fEran0AhVJ-qQKHUMYBnIQ6AF6BAgnEAM#v=onepage&q=%22ibm%20schools%20computer%22&f=false https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2kMIqdfyT8kC&pg=PA242&lp... I can't find much info about that thing.

FpUser 5y ago

>"Maybe we just experience now the same people back than experienced seeing the new generation using for example C++ instead of some "straight simple lines of assembly"" I do not think there is any similarity. Personally I've started with straight machine codes, never mind assembly. Still I gladly use any higher level tools as long as they benefit my ROI. As for GUI - back in the 90s Borland had already shown how to produce stellar, easy to use performant tools for designing GUI apps. JS public has had ages to come up with something resembling the same thing. Instead they've unleashed whole bunch of atrocities making themselves into their own victims with all signs of Stockholm's syndrome.

denton-scratch 5y ago
> Personally I've started with straight machine codes, never mind assembly. Me too - the first computer I used was an IBM Schools Computer. This was a thing a bit like an Apple I or something, but it had no assembler, no editor, no OS. To load a program, you typed it directly into memory in hex. I think (this was a long time ago) it contained an 8080. It had a TV output, and an integrated keyboard with flat membrane "keys". There was no storage - you had to copy stuff off the screen using a pencil and paper. I expect it cost a small fortune. [Edit] Apparently it wasn't an 8080, and it didn't take input/produce output in hex - it used decimal. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2kMIqdfyT8kC&pg=PA242&lpg=PA242&dq=%22ibm+schools+computer%22&source=bl&ots=Mn5urgJCCG&sig=ACfU3U2z6ozWe3Ap4ZkbarXywvKTxMh-pA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjX_5fEran0AhVJ-qQKHUMYBnIQ6AF6BAgnEAM#v=onepage&q=%22ibm%20schools%20computer%22&f=false https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2kMIqdfyT8kC&pg=PA242&lp... I can't find much info about that thing.