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Half America was publicly making fun of the previous president. Try that in China. Snowden while having noble intentions he broke the law and he should face th

Half America was publicly making fun of the previous president. Try that in China. Snowden while having noble intentions he broke the law and he should face the consequences of his actions. If I kill the guard to break into the CIA HQ and expose a massive scandal do I deserve jail time or a Medal of Honor? I would argue both.

chrischen 5y ago
100 years from now you think historians will care which society was slightly more dystopian than the other? Saying he broke the law is pointless, when the law is designed to be broken by dissidents.
- whatever1 5y ago
  Democracy comes with rights but also responsibilities. The main responsibility is to follow the law. The other responsibility is to vote to select the correct laws to follow as a society. Nobody knows what the correct set of laws for a society is. That is why we have regular elections to iterate upon them. In very few cases you can see a clear cut and say definitely that a law is fair or unfair. Most of the laws lie on a spectrum, and I would argue that it is impossible to find a set of laws that are fair to all of the people, forever. That is why dictatorships even if they start with start with good intentions (some did) they end up being oppressive regimes.
coldtea 5y ago
>Half America was publicly making fun of the previous president. Try that in China. If the whole establishment and the deep state was similarly with you, you could do that in China too.
- whatever1 5y ago
  So now that Biden is the laughingstock of the Right, I guess they have the establishment and the deep state on their side and that is why they are not exiled?
  - adventured 5y ago
    No, the right doesn't have much media power (only Fox News is of consequence), and it's quite weak politically until the midterms. Biden can largely ignore the right in that sense, he doesn't have to care if the political right mocks him. Mostly Biden has to pay attention to being his own worst enemy. The media protects Biden as much as possible, and the deep state tries to utilize him to get what they want (war, larger budgets, various globalist policies, war on domestic terrorism to set up a more advanced surveillance state). Biden's biggest problem by a dramatic margin, is the political center, which he has almost entirely lost already. If the right mocking Biden had any power behind it, he would have never won the election in the first place. It was close enough at the Electoral College that if the US media landscape were 50/50 left/right, Biden would not have prevailed. Obviously most everyone here understands that despite the flaws of the US, it generally doesn't disappear or exile as China does. The super structures that the left controls, which the right does not, do have very substantial power however (social media, big tech, hollywood, old media & news, journalism, education, welfare state).
    - mindslight 5y ago
      > The super structures that the left controls, which the right does not, do have very substantial power however (social media, big tech, hollywood, old media & news, journalism, education, welfare state). This has become a political rallying cry, but is far from an objective truth. Just because "the left" is other to you, and those structures are other to you, does not imply that its sensible to say that those structures are controlled by "the left". Entrenched power structures are inherently conservative, with at most some feel-good progressive window dressing. That you judge them as being controlled by "the left" really just indicates how far "the right" has strayed from conservatism.
  - coldtea 5y ago
    No, it's because there are no stakes. The right can laugh in their limited outlets, but can't mobilize all the "good people", media, state apparatus, three letter agencies, and so on.
    - 5y ago
- SllX 5y ago
  So how is Chairman Winnie the Pooh taking his licks?
hnfong 5y ago
Where is Snowden’s Medal of Honor then?

chrischen 5y ago

100 years from now you think historians will care which society was slightly more dystopian than the other? Saying he broke the law is pointless, when the law is designed to be broken by dissidents.

whatever1 5y ago
Democracy comes with rights but also responsibilities. The main responsibility is to follow the law. The other responsibility is to vote to select the correct laws to follow as a society. Nobody knows what the correct set of laws for a society is. That is why we have regular elections to iterate upon them. In very few cases you can see a clear cut and say definitely that a law is fair or unfair. Most of the laws lie on a spectrum, and I would argue that it is impossible to find a set of laws that are fair to all of the people, forever. That is why dictatorships even if they start with start with good intentions (some did) they end up being oppressive regimes.

coldtea 5y ago

>Half America was publicly making fun of the previous president. Try that in China. If the whole establishment and the deep state was similarly with you, you could do that in China too.

whatever1 5y ago
So now that Biden is the laughingstock of the Right, I guess they have the establishment and the deep state on their side and that is why they are not exiled?
- adventured 5y ago
  No, the right doesn't have much media power (only Fox News is of consequence), and it's quite weak politically until the midterms. Biden can largely ignore the right in that sense, he doesn't have to care if the political right mocks him. Mostly Biden has to pay attention to being his own worst enemy. The media protects Biden as much as possible, and the deep state tries to utilize him to get what they want (war, larger budgets, various globalist policies, war on domestic terrorism to set up a more advanced surveillance state). Biden's biggest problem by a dramatic margin, is the political center, which he has almost entirely lost already. If the right mocking Biden had any power behind it, he would have never won the election in the first place. It was close enough at the Electoral College that if the US media landscape were 50/50 left/right, Biden would not have prevailed. Obviously most everyone here understands that despite the flaws of the US, it generally doesn't disappear or exile as China does. The super structures that the left controls, which the right does not, do have very substantial power however (social media, big tech, hollywood, old media & news, journalism, education, welfare state).
  - mindslight 5y ago
    > The super structures that the left controls, which the right does not, do have very substantial power however (social media, big tech, hollywood, old media & news, journalism, education, welfare state). This has become a political rallying cry, but is far from an objective truth. Just because "the left" is other to you, and those structures are other to you, does not imply that its sensible to say that those structures are controlled by "the left". Entrenched power structures are inherently conservative, with at most some feel-good progressive window dressing. That you judge them as being controlled by "the left" really just indicates how far "the right" has strayed from conservatism.
- coldtea 5y ago
  No, it's because there are no stakes. The right can laugh in their limited outlets, but can't mobilize all the "good people", media, state apparatus, three letter agencies, and so on.
  - 5y ago
SllX 5y ago
So how is Chairman Winnie the Pooh taking his licks?

hnfong 5y ago

Where is Snowden’s Medal of Honor then?