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They don't sell them in the US anymore, but I drive a 2019 Honda Fit and it's great. Very versatile (holds four adults, 8ft lumber, 36" doors, etc). The base t

They don't sell them in the US anymore, but I drive a 2019 Honda Fit and it's great. Very versatile (holds four adults, 8ft lumber, 36" doors, etc). The base trim is very tech-lite: bluetooth radio but nothing fancier than that, physically controlled hvac and chair controls, traditional key, basic LTMS (no dedicated chips in the tires, just a calculation based on different angular velocity across the wheels), etc. It's about as tech-lite as a modern car can be. If you want a new car, instead of a used one, I'd try that same pattern: low end, low trim. Honda almost certainly sells a Civic without too many digital gimmicks, other automakers probably have the same. It's a dying breed though, complicated "driver assist" systems are becoming standard or even mandated :(.

rsoto 5y ago
Honda Fit owner here as well, the car is great, but unfortunately it's being discontinued in a lot of places. I think only Japan will still have them, and they even have an EV option.
- germinalphrase 5y ago
  My Fit has been absolutely great. I’ve learned a lot by working on it, but I do have the say that the plastic engine protector is a travesty. Clips were originally broken during a commercial oil change. Ever since, I’ve just been using self tapping screws to reattach it.
  - rootsudo 5y ago
    Wow, you shouldn't have self tapping screws anywhere near an engine bay. But since you know what they are, I guess their danger is minimized. It is quite OK to run w/o an engine cover, it is a worthless piece of plastic.
    - selykg 5y ago
      They can actually be worse, trapping heat in. But yea, completely non-functional. Remove it if the clips are broken. You aren't missing anything.
      - KennyBlanken 5y ago
        They're not "non-functional" at all. They reduce wind noise, increase mileage particularly in colder weather (and speed up engine warmup time), protect the engine from road debris/road salt/water, and reduce lift generated at highway speeds. "Trapping heat in" isn't a problem in almost any modern vehicle.
        rootsudo 5y ago
        There's an engine cover, and a cowl cover - the one on the bottom is good, the fake plastic trim on the top is worthless. https://www.forgemotorsport.com/Hyundai_i30NVeloster_N_Carbon_Fibre_Engine_Cover--product--1979.html https://www.forgemotorsport.com/Hyundai_i30NVeloster_N_Carbo... this is worthless, and better to keep it off.
        selykg 5y ago
        Person I responded with said engine cover. That’s the shit plastic they put on the top of an engine. It traps heat. It’s literally worthless.
      - officeplant 5y ago
        I assume they are talking about the splash guard / aeroplate underneath the engine which helps with MPGs to some extent. The plastic engine cover doesn't even need to be touched during an oil change.
        germinalphrase 5y ago
        Correct. Only talking about splash guard.
        chiph 5y ago
judge2020 5y ago
> It's a dying breed though, complicated "driver assist" systems are becoming standard or even mandated :(. It saves lives, even if the systems are not 100% effective.
- kgermino 5y ago
  I don't disagree, but it makes the car much more complicated and expensive which are valid negatives. Small cars with low hoods and good visibility don't need those systems nearly as much as large SUV's with dangerous hood designs and poor side/rear visibility. I think we should focus on the total safety of the vehicle instead of pushing everything to be bigger and more expensive which makes car ownership hard for poorer people.
  - sovnade 5y ago
    New features always show up in higher end cars first. Economies of scale eventually work out and it trickles down to even the lowest trim. I don't have the numbers but it seems like more cars than not nowadays have things like backup cameras, blind spot indicators, etc - and those basically didn't exist from the factory 15 years ago. edit: talking about non-highline models. hondas, fords, hyundais, dodge, etc.
- johnea 5y ago
  You know, actually paying attention to driving saves lives too. But apparently that is not an option. Driving is just too big of a distraction from playing with instagram...
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  - olyjohn 5y ago
    Instagram is one distraction, so is navigating through a bunch of touch screen menus to turn up the heat or turn down volume.
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fletchowns 5y ago
> It's a dying breed though, complicated "driver assist" systems are becoming standard or even mandated :(. I'm on the opposite side of this. All the new safety & driver assist features are the best part about getting a new car. I wouldn't buy a new daily driver that doesn't have blind spot monitoring, collision avoidance, lane keep assist, etc. Once you have these features and you are accustomed to how they work, you can't go back. I drive a 2019 XC40 and these safety features are my favorite part about it. Being able to turn on Pilot Assist on the highway makes driving so much more comfortable, it's like having two people driving at the same time! I don't let my guard down completely of course, but it definitely takes the edge off. I don't find these features getting in my way.
- worik 5y ago
  I agree that is all good (blind spot monitoring, collision avoidance, lane keep assist, etc). The collection of driver behaviour, and GPS, data is not
  - fshbbdssbbgdd 5y ago
    Do these driver assist systems stop working without an internet connection or something? Seems like you should be able to disable any radios that bother you, unless they intentionally nerfed it.
    - HWR_14 5y ago
      Do you mean "you can physically destroy the radios if that bothers you"? Because it's not a toggle in a UI.
      - fshbbdssbbgdd 5y ago
        I’m trying to figure out what the connection is between the driver assist features and the phoning home behavior. Are they just two systems that new cars are likely to have, or are they actually integrated?
abalaji 5y ago
Anytime I see people talking about the Honda Fit in the wild, I think back to this hilarious Community episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x65yvRtSejs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x65yvRtSejs
jccalhoun 5y ago
I got hit in an accident this summer and my 2009 Fit got totaled. I'm ok but I miss that car. If they brought it back I would ditch the car I bought in a heartbeat for one.

rsoto 5y ago

Honda Fit owner here as well, the car is great, but unfortunately it's being discontinued in a lot of places. I think only Japan will still have them, and they even have an EV option.

germinalphrase 5y ago
My Fit has been absolutely great. I’ve learned a lot by working on it, but I do have the say that the plastic engine protector is a travesty. Clips were originally broken during a commercial oil change. Ever since, I’ve just been using self tapping screws to reattach it.
- rootsudo 5y ago
  Wow, you shouldn't have self tapping screws anywhere near an engine bay. But since you know what they are, I guess their danger is minimized. It is quite OK to run w/o an engine cover, it is a worthless piece of plastic.
  - selykg 5y ago
    They can actually be worse, trapping heat in. But yea, completely non-functional. Remove it if the clips are broken. You aren't missing anything.
    - KennyBlanken 5y ago
      They're not "non-functional" at all. They reduce wind noise, increase mileage particularly in colder weather (and speed up engine warmup time), protect the engine from road debris/road salt/water, and reduce lift generated at highway speeds. "Trapping heat in" isn't a problem in almost any modern vehicle.
      - rootsudo 5y ago
        There's an engine cover, and a cowl cover - the one on the bottom is good, the fake plastic trim on the top is worthless. https://www.forgemotorsport.com/Hyundai_i30NVeloster_N_Carbon_Fibre_Engine_Cover--product--1979.html https://www.forgemotorsport.com/Hyundai_i30NVeloster_N_Carbo... this is worthless, and better to keep it off.
      - selykg 5y ago
        Person I responded with said engine cover. That’s the shit plastic they put on the top of an engine. It traps heat. It’s literally worthless.
    - officeplant 5y ago
      I assume they are talking about the splash guard / aeroplate underneath the engine which helps with MPGs to some extent. The plastic engine cover doesn't even need to be touched during an oil change.
      - germinalphrase 5y ago
        Correct. Only talking about splash guard.
        chiph 5y ago

judge2020 5y ago

> It's a dying breed though, complicated "driver assist" systems are becoming standard or even mandated :(. It saves lives, even if the systems are not 100% effective.

kgermino 5y ago
I don't disagree, but it makes the car much more complicated and expensive which are valid negatives. Small cars with low hoods and good visibility don't need those systems nearly as much as large SUV's with dangerous hood designs and poor side/rear visibility. I think we should focus on the total safety of the vehicle instead of pushing everything to be bigger and more expensive which makes car ownership hard for poorer people.
- sovnade 5y ago
  New features always show up in higher end cars first. Economies of scale eventually work out and it trickles down to even the lowest trim. I don't have the numbers but it seems like more cars than not nowadays have things like backup cameras, blind spot indicators, etc - and those basically didn't exist from the factory 15 years ago. edit: talking about non-highline models. hondas, fords, hyundais, dodge, etc.
johnea 5y ago
You know, actually paying attention to driving saves lives too. But apparently that is not an option. Driving is just too big of a distraction from playing with instagram...
- deleted 5y ago
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- olyjohn 5y ago
  Instagram is one distraction, so is navigating through a bunch of touch screen menus to turn up the heat or turn down volume.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]

fletchowns 5y ago

> It's a dying breed though, complicated "driver assist" systems are becoming standard or even mandated :(. I'm on the opposite side of this. All the new safety & driver assist features are the best part about getting a new car. I wouldn't buy a new daily driver that doesn't have blind spot monitoring, collision avoidance, lane keep assist, etc. Once you have these features and you are accustomed to how they work, you can't go back. I drive a 2019 XC40 and these safety features are my favorite part about it. Being able to turn on Pilot Assist on the highway makes driving so much more comfortable, it's like having two people driving at the same time! I don't let my guard down completely of course, but it definitely takes the edge off. I don't find these features getting in my way.

worik 5y ago
I agree that is all good (blind spot monitoring, collision avoidance, lane keep assist, etc). The collection of driver behaviour, and GPS, data is not
- fshbbdssbbgdd 5y ago
  Do these driver assist systems stop working without an internet connection or something? Seems like you should be able to disable any radios that bother you, unless they intentionally nerfed it.
  - HWR_14 5y ago
    Do you mean "you can physically destroy the radios if that bothers you"? Because it's not a toggle in a UI.
    - fshbbdssbbgdd 5y ago
      I’m trying to figure out what the connection is between the driver assist features and the phoning home behavior. Are they just two systems that new cars are likely to have, or are they actually integrated?

abalaji 5y ago

Anytime I see people talking about the Honda Fit in the wild, I think back to this hilarious Community episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x65yvRtSejs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x65yvRtSejs

jccalhoun 5y ago

I got hit in an accident this summer and my 2009 Fit got totaled. I'm ok but I miss that car. If they brought it back I would ditch the car I bought in a heartbeat for one.