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A charitable interpretation would be to understand the "arabic" as in "The arabic script", that is: the alphabet. This is indeed the written representation of P

A charitable interpretation would be to understand the "arabic" as in "The arabic script", that is: the alphabet. This is indeed the written representation of Persian and Urdu. It's a common confusion for some people to conflate a natural language with it's script. Compare with the similar confusion that conflates a programming language with either it's implementation or the snytax used to write it in text files.

uncomputation 5y ago
It’s not a common confusion at all though. No one would ever confuse Italian for English because they use the same script. It’s only “common” wrt Arabic script languages.
- treeman79 5y ago
  I imagine eastern cultures would find Italian and English rather similar.
  - naturalauction 5y ago
    Pashto, Dari, Italian, and English are all Indo-European languages. Arabic is not. In other words Afghan languages are closer to English than they are to Arabic.
    - Banana699 5y ago
      You're conflating two fundamentally different notions of similarity. The similarity among the Indo-European languages are extremely deep linguistic and structural similarities only appreciated by people who study languages and their history for a living, and known by people who are interested in languages and read about them. The similarity between same-script languages is a superficial geometric symmetry that can be seen by anyone with functioning eyes. Most people are in the second category while not being in the first.
- marci 5y ago
  "Facebook is bad at moderating the Latin alphabet. For the Arabic script, it’s a disaster."
- 5560675260 5y ago
  Only if you already know Italian or English. Personally I would easily confuse Italian with Spanish or Portuguese.
- Banana699 5y ago
  I think your familiarity with the Latin script is coloring your perceptions a bit, I'm an arab and when I was a child I used to classify French, Italian and all languages that use Latin letters as 'English'. Growing up is not what made me realize this is wrong, it's learning English. It's very easy to imagine the other way around.
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    > I was a child I used to classify French, Italian and all languages that use Latin letters as 'English'. These three have a lot of words in common. French-English share something like 30% of their respective vocabulary on top of an other 30% they both inherited from Latin. So, you were almost right!
  - megaman821 5y ago
    If you are going to write about a topic, perhaps you should have a better understanding of it and its related issues than a child would.
hyperxy 5y ago
The charitable thing to do would be to read the statement in the context of the paragraph that it is a part of. There is no issue. The rude thing is six comments from different people assuming the author is dumb.
999900000999 5y ago
By this logic Chinese, Japanese, Classical Vietnamese and Classical Korean are all sorta kinda just Chinese. Aside from being amazingly ignorant ( it can be argued Chinese dialects alone are more diverse than Romance languages) your not going to be able to have a Cantonese speaker moderate a Japanese forum. That said, why are we realistically expecting Facebook to be able to do all this. The moderation should really occur in your head, if you're reading really hateful things online, maybe stop reading them. It turns into an endless game of whack-a-mole. There are tons of Reddit threads I've been in where I felt I was being personally attacked, or reading pure hate speech. I stopped using Reddit because it wasn't good for me. To be completely fair to Facebook it's not even possible to moderate their platform to the extent this article imagines. I think a fair compromise would be to allow Nations to ban or heavily restrict Facebook. And Facebook should comply with that. Hell, a Facebook timeout for all of humanity wouldn't be a bad idea. Maybe given the week of an election just shut the whole thing down aside from messenger.
- nradov 5y ago
  Nations can already ban usage of Facebook if they want to. We don't need to "allow" anything. But that kind of censorship takes us down a dangerous path. It would be horrible to see the rest of the world turn into China.
- seoulmetro 5y ago
  I'd disagree in part and say that, when these languages were all used a few hundred years ago, there may be a way a traveller can communicate with locals if they travelled between the regions (with literacy). But I would agree that they wouldn't be able to use it to their advantage (moderation). Now? Well, now the classical languages aren't used or learnt.
- frazbin 5y ago
  What the hell are you saying? Is it "the existence of state censorship is a good countermeasure to online speech when applied at the platform level"? Because that would be sneaking some pretty authoritarian shit into your opinions. I want facebook to go away too but unilateral action on the part of states isn't going to do it (no matter how influential you might want China to be). Now, some kind of international coalition to support fact based information via sanctions (otherwise you trade one kind of propaganda to another) might help.. guessing big red not into that idea tho.
duskwuff 5y ago
And I suspect that Facebook's moderation problems extend to most, if not all, languages written in Arabic script. If they can't even handle languages like Spanish or French correctly (cf. other top-level comments), the chances that they'll handle languages which are more "obscure" (from a Western perspective) are basically zero.

uncomputation 5y ago

It’s not a common confusion at all though. No one would ever confuse Italian for English because they use the same script. It’s only “common” wrt Arabic script languages.

treeman79 5y ago
I imagine eastern cultures would find Italian and English rather similar.
- naturalauction 5y ago
  Pashto, Dari, Italian, and English are all Indo-European languages. Arabic is not. In other words Afghan languages are closer to English than they are to Arabic.
  - Banana699 5y ago
    You're conflating two fundamentally different notions of similarity. The similarity among the Indo-European languages are extremely deep linguistic and structural similarities only appreciated by people who study languages and their history for a living, and known by people who are interested in languages and read about them. The similarity between same-script languages is a superficial geometric symmetry that can be seen by anyone with functioning eyes. Most people are in the second category while not being in the first.
marci 5y ago
"Facebook is bad at moderating the Latin alphabet. For the Arabic script, it’s a disaster."
5560675260 5y ago
Only if you already know Italian or English. Personally I would easily confuse Italian with Spanish or Portuguese.
Banana699 5y ago
I think your familiarity with the Latin script is coloring your perceptions a bit, I'm an arab and when I was a child I used to classify French, Italian and all languages that use Latin letters as 'English'. Growing up is not what made me realize this is wrong, it's learning English. It's very easy to imagine the other way around.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > I was a child I used to classify French, Italian and all languages that use Latin letters as 'English'. These three have a lot of words in common. French-English share something like 30% of their respective vocabulary on top of an other 30% they both inherited from Latin. So, you were almost right!
- megaman821 5y ago
  If you are going to write about a topic, perhaps you should have a better understanding of it and its related issues than a child would.

hyperxy 5y ago

The charitable thing to do would be to read the statement in the context of the paragraph that it is a part of. There is no issue. The rude thing is six comments from different people assuming the author is dumb.

999900000999 5y ago

By this logic Chinese, Japanese, Classical Vietnamese and Classical Korean are all sorta kinda just Chinese. Aside from being amazingly ignorant ( it can be argued Chinese dialects alone are more diverse than Romance languages) your not going to be able to have a Cantonese speaker moderate a Japanese forum. That said, why are we realistically expecting Facebook to be able to do all this. The moderation should really occur in your head, if you're reading really hateful things online, maybe stop reading them. It turns into an endless game of whack-a-mole. There are tons of Reddit threads I've been in where I felt I was being personally attacked, or reading pure hate speech. I stopped using Reddit because it wasn't good for me. To be completely fair to Facebook it's not even possible to moderate their platform to the extent this article imagines. I think a fair compromise would be to allow Nations to ban or heavily restrict Facebook. And Facebook should comply with that. Hell, a Facebook timeout for all of humanity wouldn't be a bad idea. Maybe given the week of an election just shut the whole thing down aside from messenger.

nradov 5y ago
Nations can already ban usage of Facebook if they want to. We don't need to "allow" anything. But that kind of censorship takes us down a dangerous path. It would be horrible to see the rest of the world turn into China.
seoulmetro 5y ago
I'd disagree in part and say that, when these languages were all used a few hundred years ago, there may be a way a traveller can communicate with locals if they travelled between the regions (with literacy). But I would agree that they wouldn't be able to use it to their advantage (moderation). Now? Well, now the classical languages aren't used or learnt.
frazbin 5y ago
What the hell are you saying? Is it "the existence of state censorship is a good countermeasure to online speech when applied at the platform level"? Because that would be sneaking some pretty authoritarian shit into your opinions. I want facebook to go away too but unilateral action on the part of states isn't going to do it (no matter how influential you might want China to be). Now, some kind of international coalition to support fact based information via sanctions (otherwise you trade one kind of propaganda to another) might help.. guessing big red not into that idea tho.

duskwuff 5y ago

And I suspect that Facebook's moderation problems extend to most, if not all, languages written in Arabic script. If they can't even handle languages like Spanish or French correctly (cf. other top-level comments), the chances that they'll handle languages which are more "obscure" (from a Western perspective) are basically zero.