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> "users can't install software themselves" This is one example of a real problem. Linux desktops are great for professional Linux people and hard core enthus

by mfer 5y ago

> "users can't install software themselves" This is one example of a real problem. Linux desktops are great for professional Linux people and hard core enthusiasts. Once you try to take them out to non-technical people trying to do everyday tasks it's much harder. I've driven numerous distros and keep running into UX problems masses will run into. How do we get distros that can be good daily drivers for the masses? How do we get people interested in crafting those?

oblio 5y ago
> How do we get distros that can be good daily drivers for the masses? How do we get people interested in crafting those? Heh, you might not like the answer. There might be a ton of alternatives somewhere out there, but there's only 1 real thing that seems to work with the information we have so far. So, what's the answer to these questions: > Q: How do we get distros that can be good daily drivers for the masses? How do we get people interested in crafting those? <<A. You pay them.>> Desktop environment polishing work is technically boring work and a thankless job. It's grunge work. Only a minority of experienced devs will do it willingly for a long time.
deknos 5y ago
this is misrepresentation. you cannot install systemwide software on any enterprise-installed system THAT was their problem. before limux there was no permission management and everybody was admin.
- mfer 5y ago
  Windows and macOS allow you to install software (most of the time) without being an admin on the system. You only need to be an admin if the software to be installed needs certain capabilities. On Linux this isn't typical. You usually need to be an admin to install deb or rpm. Things are changing but it's not fast.
  - marcosdumay 5y ago
    Wait, what? You mean, the Unix way of "you run your software from wherever you want" needs admin for installing software, while Windows doesn't? You can lock Linux down so that normal users can't replace almost the entire system on their sessions. This is possible. It is also usually a lot of work.
throwawaymanbot 5y ago
This is a fake story. The UI is not broken. Especially in the last 5-8 years. Which MS dept do you work for???

by mfer 5y ago

oblio 5y ago

> How do we get distros that can be good daily drivers for the masses? How do we get people interested in crafting those? Heh, you might not like the answer. There might be a ton of alternatives somewhere out there, but there's only 1 real thing that seems to work with the information we have so far. So, what's the answer to these questions: > Q: How do we get distros that can be good daily drivers for the masses? How do we get people interested in crafting those? <<A. You pay them.>> Desktop environment polishing work is technically boring work and a thankless job. It's grunge work. Only a minority of experienced devs will do it willingly for a long time.

deknos 5y ago

this is misrepresentation. you cannot install systemwide software on any enterprise-installed system THAT was their problem. before limux there was no permission management and everybody was admin.

mfer 5y ago
Windows and macOS allow you to install software (most of the time) without being an admin on the system. You only need to be an admin if the software to be installed needs certain capabilities. On Linux this isn't typical. You usually need to be an admin to install deb or rpm. Things are changing but it's not fast.
- marcosdumay 5y ago
  Wait, what? You mean, the Unix way of "you run your software from wherever you want" needs admin for installing software, while Windows doesn't? You can lock Linux down so that normal users can't replace almost the entire system on their sessions. This is possible. It is also usually a lot of work.

throwawaymanbot 5y ago

This is a fake story. The UI is not broken. Especially in the last 5-8 years. Which MS dept do you work for???