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The cost is that it is fragmenting the already fragmented scene of open protocols with an inferior solution. Now I will have to install a 5th chat client in ord

The cost is that it is fragmenting the already fragmented scene of open protocols with an inferior solution. Now I will have to install a 5th chat client in order to talk with the few people that will move to it.

progval 5y ago
Note that IRCv3 is backward-compatible, so you don't need a new client. Any existing IRC client can connect to it just fine; including multi-protocol clients like Pidgin. And if you do want a client with all the new IRCv3 features, that client can still connect to old IRC servers.
- ttybird 5y ago
  I uninstalled irssi once my friends moved to newer and better protocols, so yeah, I will need to.
- deleted 5y ago
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jedberg 5y ago
The beauty of an open protocol is that you probably won't need a new client -- all the existing clients will just add it as another network to connect to. Remember back in the day when everything was an open protocol? We didn't use five chat clients -- we used Trillian to connect to all the different networks.
- ttybird 5y ago
  All of the chat protocols that I use are open actually, yet neither I nor you use a client that supports matrix, irc, xmpp, etc at the same time. Clients that supported multiple protocols died for a reason. These were "jack of all traded but madter of none", extremely buggy and lacking in features.
  - jedberg 5y ago
    I do. It's called Beeper. Also, I didn't care that they were "master of none". I just wanted to talk to all my friends on all the networks without having to use a ton of memory running multiple apps, which was more important back then, when the cost of multiple apps was higher. > Clients that supported multiple protocols died for a reason. Yeah, because everyone moved to closed networks.
    - zamadatix 5y ago
      Out of curiosity are you self hosting Beeper or did you manage to get past the waitlist?
      - jedberg 5y ago
        I got through the waitlist.
    - ttybird 5y ago
      "Master of none" includes crashing every few minutes, dropping messages, lacking critical features, etc. As for beeper it seems to lack xmpp support (despite some of the services that they support using it internally). Although I will say that it looks cool. "Yeah, because everyone moved to closed networks." This is not how I remember it but let's agree to disagree :p The main question remains though, what does irc3 offers over xmpp and matrix?
      - jedberg 5y ago
        I don't remember Trillian having any of those problems. I remember loving it and using it constantly, but having to stop using it when my friends started moving to closed networks so I had to run a bunch of other clients. irc3 brings irc up to modern standards so that when are using a combo client, the features you have on the other networks work on IRC too.
        zamadatix 5y ago
- deepstack 5y ago
  Ideally ALL protocol (by the definition of it) ought to be openly defined. The authentication to use the protocol is another thing. Of course, security by obscurity is how the banks talk to each other.

progval 5y ago

Note that IRCv3 is backward-compatible, so you don't need a new client. Any existing IRC client can connect to it just fine; including multi-protocol clients like Pidgin. And if you do want a client with all the new IRCv3 features, that client can still connect to old IRC servers.

ttybird 5y ago
I uninstalled irssi once my friends moved to newer and better protocols, so yeah, I will need to.
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jedberg 5y ago

The beauty of an open protocol is that you probably won't need a new client -- all the existing clients will just add it as another network to connect to. Remember back in the day when everything was an open protocol? We didn't use five chat clients -- we used Trillian to connect to all the different networks.

ttybird 5y ago
All of the chat protocols that I use are open actually, yet neither I nor you use a client that supports matrix, irc, xmpp, etc at the same time. Clients that supported multiple protocols died for a reason. These were "jack of all traded but madter of none", extremely buggy and lacking in features.
- jedberg 5y ago
  I do. It's called Beeper. Also, I didn't care that they were "master of none". I just wanted to talk to all my friends on all the networks without having to use a ton of memory running multiple apps, which was more important back then, when the cost of multiple apps was higher. > Clients that supported multiple protocols died for a reason. Yeah, because everyone moved to closed networks.
  - zamadatix 5y ago
    Out of curiosity are you self hosting Beeper or did you manage to get past the waitlist?
    - jedberg 5y ago
      I got through the waitlist.
  - ttybird 5y ago
    "Master of none" includes crashing every few minutes, dropping messages, lacking critical features, etc. As for beeper it seems to lack xmpp support (despite some of the services that they support using it internally). Although I will say that it looks cool. "Yeah, because everyone moved to closed networks." This is not how I remember it but let's agree to disagree :p The main question remains though, what does irc3 offers over xmpp and matrix?
    - jedberg 5y ago
      I don't remember Trillian having any of those problems. I remember loving it and using it constantly, but having to stop using it when my friends started moving to closed networks so I had to run a bunch of other clients. irc3 brings irc up to modern standards so that when are using a combo client, the features you have on the other networks work on IRC too.
      - zamadatix 5y ago
deepstack 5y ago
Ideally ALL protocol (by the definition of it) ought to be openly defined. The authentication to use the protocol is another thing. Of course, security by obscurity is how the banks talk to each other.