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> The real story (in my opinion) behind Ivermectin are the studies not being conducted. Here you have a ton of studies claiming to have found benefit with a wor
by resoluteteeth 5y ago
> The real story (in my opinion) behind Ivermectin are the studies not being conducted. Here you have a ton of studies claiming to have found benefit with a worldwide, massively available drug that has practically zero risks for most people (and it's an extremely well understood drug) and we don't have first world countries conducting RCTs to understand it better.
First world countries are in the process of conducting RCTs testing Ivermectin, for example the activ-6 and covid-out studies in the US.
> So you have to ask yourself - when do we get high quality RCTs, who funds them and why? This to me is a clear cut indicator that we have very maligned incentives for health science. How can we be this far into a global pandemic, with all of this funding and not have multiple high quality RCTs on this drug? It's sad to say the least. Even if Ivermectin ends up being fairly weak or completely ineffective - surely there's something to learn here...
The thing to learn here is that there's no conspiracy, trials are underway, and science is already working properly.
- Wolf_Larsen 5y ago> The thing to learn here is that there's no conspiracy, trials are underway, and science is already working properly. Thank God! I was worried it may be a nuanced situation full of brazen conflicts of interest.
- threeseed 5y agoYes because there's no conflict of interest as to why ivermectin of all drugs is being pushed so hard.
- tuatoru 5y agoIvermectin is cheap and out of patent. Cui bono?
- jacquesm 5y agoSorry, but no. "Ivermectin works" is the standard, not who benefits financially from some other medication.
- tuatoru 5y agoI don't understand how that's relevant to a discussion about conflicts of interest. If someone is promoting Ivermectin, how do they benefit from that given that anyone else can jump in and take away any increase in sales?
- gunapologist99 5y ago> First world countries are in the process of conducting RCTs testing Ivermectin, for example the activ-6 and covid-out studies in the US. ... "in the process of"? How long has ivermectin existed? How long has the pandemic been around for? How long has ivermectin been claimed to have huge benefits for, regardless of the source? Isn't it possible that there are some other reasons why RCT's haven't been conducted yet by "trustworthy" sources in the view of these meta-analyses? Is it really such a huge conspiracy theory that researchers simply don't want to bite the hand that feeds them? Is it not a fact that literally billions that have flowed into the coffers of Big Pharma for the vaccines and their $700/pill protease inhibitor drug, and the fact that almost all research studies are performed with funding dollars that originate from them or from HHS/CDC/NIH, which also now see a dramatic, multi-fold increase in power, reach, and funding?
- searine 5y ago>How long has the pandemic been around for? How long has ivermectin been claimed to have huge benefits for, regardless of the source? Science takes time, the pandemic has been around for less than 2 years. Ivermectin has been a suggested for what, a year at most? >Is it really such a huge conspiracy theory that researchers simply don't want to bite the hand that feeds them? If a scientist could definitively prove ivermectin was effective they would be world famous. The reason so many shitty papers got published so quickly on ivermectin is because people were trying (and failing) to grab that fame and fortune. The incentives are obvious. Consider that maybe your need to see conspiracy in the world comes from within, rather than external forces.
- RandallBrown 5y agoWho makes ivermectin, if not Big Pharma? Wouldn't it have been way easier to just sell pills they already manufacture than investing all the time and energy into new stuff?
- toolz 5y agoivermectin is a generic drug now, the profits are squeezed down to nearly nothing due to competition and it's being mass produced in many places.