3 ms·

Governments though can do that through their own passive demand. Ie., they can issue proper smartcards/tokens for citizens to identify themselves with, and then

by xoa 5y ago

Governments though can do that through their own passive demand. Ie., they can issue proper smartcards/tokens for citizens to identify themselves with, and then say that those can (and eventually must) be used for electronic interactions with the government itself (taxes being a big one but they'd easily be useful for a range of stuff). Follow/improve open standards. With something good, open and convenient private usage will naturally follow. Government can also by definition get involved with the issue of legal liability and fix BS like "identity theft" by shifting liability for businesses who do not meet good authentication standards. Doing it that way also creates room for fixing serious issues in practice before a natural rollout, as it starts by the government dogfooding its own standard. And if a lot of sites demand it, browsers will respond absent overwhelming reason not to, which itself is a good form of pressure to get said overwhelming reasons fixed. I'm very doubtful though that trying to just directly legislate how software universally works though bypassing process is a good idea. Massive room for abuse as well.

slowmovintarget 5y ago
I think you touch on the issue. Having a standard for Identity Management seems reasonable. Mandating that such a state-regulated identity be used for all on-line data passing on the internet seems like a nightmare waiting to happen. That may not be the step in between "collect underpants" and "profit" but it feels like it's coming. In the U.S., I'm sure something like this will be sold in the clothing of think-of-the-children.
- Jensson 5y ago
  > Mandating that such a state-regulated identity be used for all on-line data passing on the internet seems like a nightmare waiting to happen. They didn't mandate that though, the proposal was that it should be possible to use it, not that everyone should be forced to use it. You would still be able to log in using other means. Basically, facebook would be required to provide you with the option to use e-id to log in. But you could still log in with other means. It just gives you more freedom.
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    Please, we know how that works. Youtube age filter? Will be mandated for anything controversial as soon as such a system is in place to protect the children. Meanwhile we spend trillions on e-commerce. There is crime, but nothing that warrants such an ID scheme.

by xoa 5y ago

slowmovintarget 5y ago

I think you touch on the issue. Having a standard for Identity Management seems reasonable. Mandating that such a state-regulated identity be used for all on-line data passing on the internet seems like a nightmare waiting to happen. That may not be the step in between "collect underpants" and "profit" but it feels like it's coming. In the U.S., I'm sure something like this will be sold in the clothing of think-of-the-children.

Jensson 5y ago
> Mandating that such a state-regulated identity be used for all on-line data passing on the internet seems like a nightmare waiting to happen. They didn't mandate that though, the proposal was that it should be possible to use it, not that everyone should be forced to use it. You would still be able to log in using other means. Basically, facebook would be required to provide you with the option to use e-id to log in. But you could still log in with other means. It just gives you more freedom.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  Please, we know how that works. Youtube age filter? Will be mandated for anything controversial as soon as such a system is in place to protect the children. Meanwhile we spend trillions on e-commerce. There is crime, but nothing that warrants such an ID scheme.