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Cloudflare Pages goes full stack

350 points by samwillis 5y ago

nevikashah 5y ago
Hey there - I'm the PM for Pages! Super excited about this release today. We also announced our support for GitLab and partnerships with several CMSes! Happy to answer any questions.
- Scarbutt 5y ago
  It's not full stack until there is a real database offer ;)
  - jonsully 5y ago
    KV workers are pretty close FWIW
- iainmerrick 5y ago
  Does Pages now support multiple deployments from a single git repository? When I looked a while back it seemed like there was no way to host multiple domains on CF Pages from a monorepo. GH Pages has the same limitation, but Netlify does support monorepos.
  - nevikashah 5y ago
    support for monorepos are on deck and coming soon!
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 5y ago
  Very exciting! What is your story with Pages and Rust Workers? Will they get the benefits of automatic deployment or is it still required to use Wrangler and manually wire things together?
- brycewray 5y ago
  Great announcements today. Hoping you can share any expected progress on the long build times (chiefly initializing the build environment itself), which right now constitute the only real down-side of CFP IMHO.
  - nevikashah 5y ago
    Totally understand the frustration! Improving build times is at the front of our minds and the work is well underway - stay tuned for updates!
- boleary-gl 5y ago
  GitLab team-member here. So exciting to see GitLab support! I'll finally be giving Pages a try later today. :)
- technobabbler 5y ago
  It's really exciting to see Cloudflare Pages keep progressing! Any plan to eventually offer drop-in support for Next.js? (Not just static builds, but the backend server/serverless functions too, like Vercel... maybe mapping certain APIs to Workers?). It would be lovely to be able to leverage the power of that framework on Cloudflare infrastructure. Edit: Next and frameworks like it solve the "I love the idea of serverless, but don't want to reinvent the whole backend from scratch" problem. It's nice to have a framework abstract away problems like routing, caching, invalidations, buildchains, image transformations, etc. Cloudflare Pages and Workers can do almost all the same things, but requires more coding and configuration... that's the only reason we went with Next + Vercel instead of Pages.
  - WORMS_EAT_WORMS 5y ago
    Agree. Also, FWIW, what Cloudflare built is definitely a nice option. I would prefer even closer integration though and will be test driving this. But… This is almost just like an index.html and api.php file on a server. I think what devs really need/want is the Svelte Kit adaptor but an official Cloudflare way. Edit: Apparently the functions support parameterized files like .functions/friends/[name].js [1] which creates a lot closer integration. Put that feature front and center! I think this really solves many issues. [1] https://blog.cloudflare.com/building-full-stack-with-pages/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/building-full-stack-with-pages/
  - whiskypeters 5y ago
    there is https://github.com/flareact/flareact https://github.com/flareact/flareact in development by a shopify engineer, worth checking out... seems like a good architecture for deeper integration with workers runtime
    - DoctorOW 5y ago
      This is the first thing I thought of as I was reading the server side section
    - technobabbler 5y ago
      Saw this a few months ago and briefly considered it, but it seemed too risky to use on a production website. Next.js is maintained by an entire company (Vercel). If Flareact ever gains official Cloudflare support, that'd be wonderful!
- zapita 5y ago
  Is there a way to push content directly to Pages instead of having it pull from Github or Gitlab? Many teams have their own deployment tooling with pre-existing git integrations, and would rather add a Pages target to that. For example Netlify lets you bypass their github pull feature. Does Cloudflare?
  - tailspin2019 5y ago
    Yep this one is important to me too. I really dislike the GitHub integration approach, but I get that it makes it simpler for some use cases.
  - segphault 5y ago
    I'm interested in non-git deployment as well. For an image-heavy site, I would really prefer to avoid having to store static assets in GitHub so that I don't have to deal with git LFS. It would be nice if their CLI tool could support directly deploying a Pages application.
  - nevikashah 5y ago
    Right now, you can only create a project through GitHub/GitLab. However, being able to upload your pre-built assets directly to Pages is something we are working on now! Listen out for updates!
    - zapita 5y ago
      Thanks. This makes Pages a non-starter for me. I look forward to trying it with direct upload!
- naiv 5y ago
  The link to the 'example to see the SvelteKit adapter' in the article is broken (https://github.com/lukeed/pages-fullstack https://github.com/lukeed/pages-fullstack)
  - showerst 5y ago
    So is the link to the usage limits.
    - nevikashah 5y ago
      working on this now - should be fixed soon
      - nevikashah 5y ago
        clear cache and cookies - docs are up :)
        hunter2_ 5y ago
        I hope this doesn't come across too aggressively, but if merely clicking "refresh" doesn't do the trick (as suggested through a recommendation to clear cache/cookies) please investigate some cache-busting techniques!
        icemelt8 5y ago
        The @sveltejs/adapter-cloudflare package isn't published to NPM yet. reply
      - iruoy 5y ago
        The @sveltejs/adapter-cloudflare package isn't published to NPM yet.
- xbenjii 5y ago
  Awesome! Do you know if/when there will be support for self-hosted Gitlab instances?
- pacino 5y ago
  Hi! Do you know if this release changes the ability to enable wildcard subdomain routing to Pages without requiring a >$200/mo Enterprise plan? Its a feature Netlify offer in their $19 "Pro" plan and is a roadblock for us to fully leverage Pages.
- tn890 5y ago
  If I just wanted to deploy a blog from github to Cloudflare pages, what would be the best way of doing that without writing javascript? Is there a way currently?
  - gregbrimble 5y ago
    Absolutely possible! If you've just got a folder of static assets, you can connect it up to Pages, and enter that directory as the "build output directory". https://developers.cloudflare.com/pages/framework-guides/deploy-anything https://developers.cloudflare.com/pages/framework-guides/dep...
    - tn890 5y ago
      Thank you. Docs are good, I'm already up and running :)
  - masa331 5y ago
    For that you can use Github pages and you don't need to touch JS or Cloudflare
    - tn890 5y ago
      Tried that, what I really like about Cloudflare is that it offers me more freedom than Github which basically forces you to use Jekyll if I'm not mistaken.
      - masa331 5y ago
        What do you mean by more freedom? You definitelly don't need Jekyll for Github pages. Any static page can be hosted on Github pages
      - leodriesch 5y ago
        You are mistaken, you can deploy any static site. I’ve deployed a couple of static documentation sites with automated builds with the help of GitHub Actions [0]. [0]: https://github.com/marketplace/actions/github-pages-action https://github.com/marketplace/actions/github-pages-action
- bovermyer 5y ago
  Just last week I moved two of my personal projects from GitLab to GitHub just so I could use Pages for them. If only I'd waited one more week...
- no_wizard 5y ago
  is this team hiring at all?
  - rita3ko 5y ago
    it sure is: https://boards.greenhouse.io/cloudflare/jobs/3156953?gh_jid=3156953 https://boards.greenhouse.io/cloudflare/jobs/3156953?gh_jid=...
- ignoramous 5y ago
  Hi: - Are Pages functions running Workers Unbound or Workers Bundled? - Do functions support Worker composition announced yesterday [0]? [0] https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-worker-services/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-worker-services/
- xrd 5y ago
  Where is information on gitlab support? I didn't see it linked in the post. Is this just the main gitlab service, or are any third party gitlab servers possible? I'm building a svelte-kit based blogging framework called Svekyll with a hosting service called ExtraStatic. It all uses gitlab on the backend and I'm very curious if you could author on ExtraStatic and then publish into cloudflare. Right now I use the static adapter but I'm interested in seeing if the cloudflare adapter just works. ExtraStatic is interesting because it allows you to publish without really knowing git. You can publish using just email, or you can use the creator tool or the Android app to publish into gitlab and then it builds automatically. Hosting on cloudflare would be awesome. Very exciting stuff!
  - gregbrimble 5y ago
    GitLab blog post: https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-pages-partners-with-gitlab/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-pages-partners-with-g... Sounds like what you're describing would be possible!
    - xrd 5y ago
      Thanks for the link! Unfortunately, it looks like this only works with gitlab.com. I don't think my GitLab instance will work as this blog post describes. It's still an incredibly cool offering and I am sure there is a way to do it with just vanilla CI inside my GitLab instance.
- icemelt8 5y ago
  Pages right now cannot build a svelteKit app 18:18:10.017 (node:1521) ExperimentalWarning: The ESM module loader is experimental. 18:18:10.028 file:///opt/buildhome/repo/node_modules/@sveltejs/kit/dist/cli.js:856 18:18:10.028 https = https || !!vite_config.server?.https;
kokanee 5y ago
My first experience with Pages for a static site was really positive. I'm going to have to think of a full stack app idea just so I can try this out.
lewisjoe 5y ago
As an indie software maker it frustrates me when I have to pay 50$ dollars to have a decent cloud server setup to run my apps. Yes there are 5$ shared vm-s, but I want a decent enough ram and cores to lift my load. And a 4gb ram and 4 cores shouldn't cost me 50$ either. I knew when WASM was introduced, this will bring out a new dimension of computing power available at affordable cost. But I wasn't sure how. But now I know. Cloudflare is doing some incredible work here, launching cloudflare workers and then capitalizing it to bring low cost computing to other edges. If lucky, we might enter an era where cloud infrastructure doesn't gets polarized into hands of tech giants like amazon, microsoft and stays affordable as it once was.
- welterde 5y ago
  There are many many providers that offer deals that are more than within the stated budget. Hetzner Cloud will give you around 16-32GB and more than 4 cores for <50$. For similar amount of money you can also get a dedicated server from them (and many other providers) with > 60GB of RAM, > 4 cores and nvme. Scaleway, OVH and others also have offerings that are not too far off (but less familiar with their offerings).
  - Scarbutt 5y ago
    When trying these cloud providers I always come back to AWS, the AWS network is so good.
    - Hamuko 5y ago
      It better be good since it's so expensive. NAT Gateways run on money.
- Tomte 5y ago
  Oracle Cloud free tier. 4 cores ARM64, 24GB of RAM, 200GB disk.
  - ohyeshedid 5y ago
    Fwiw, consensus, in some circles, is that's a very limited offering and they like to entirely delete accounts after the trial if you don't respond to their sales/onboarding emails. They may even continue to email you reminders about your trial expiring and tell you that you can still use all the free tier offerings, even though you can't log in anymore because the account is gone.
0xy 5y ago
This is really exciting stuff, they're so close to a one stop shop for DevOps, monitoring, serverless backend, file storage, data store and frontend asset serving. I feel it's now within reach to migrate one of my side projects, except Redis and Postgres which I'll have to keep on AWS for now. It seems they're building a fully integrated developer experience that abstracts so much complexity away from deployment, security and otherwise. I have to imagine database and other solutions like pub/sub will be coming at some point in the future, too. (disclosure: long $NET)
- rtcoms 5y ago
  postgres can be hosted via supabase. Redis also has cloud service I think
  - jfvinueza 5y ago
    upstash, very cf-worker oriented https://www.upstash.com/ https://www.upstash.com/
  - smw 5y ago
    cockroachdb serverless
redm 5y ago
It's interesting how the news cycle goes. Today on the HN homepage: Netlify Raises $105M (netlify.com) Netlify Acquires OneGraph (netlify.com) Cloudflare Pages Goes Full Stack (cloudflare.com) It will be interesting to see how this all plays out..
- destitude 5y ago
  That is an interesting observation. I'd think Cloudflare has the upperhand because of their CDN and soon built-in object storage with "no" egress fees... going to be hard to compete against that.
- spyke112 5y ago
  I for one will be migrating my static sites away from Netlify. I were just waiting for the Gitlab support.
  - chana_masala 5y ago
    For what reasons?
- jadbox 5y ago
  Also Rich Harris (Svelte creator) joined Vercel this week: https://twitter.com/Rich_Harris/status/1458822051263823875 https://twitter.com/Rich_Harris/status/1458822051263823875
bastardoperator 5y ago
Awesome. I want to use Cloudflare more, especially the email service they announced. How much longer do I have to wait for these things to become GA?
- rita3ko 5y ago
  Pages itself has been GA for a little while now (https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-pages-ga/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-pages-ga/). For the integrations with Workers, it's TBD (we generally want to leave things in beta for a bit and let it bake in before giving you the thumbs up to put your production site on it), but we move fast, so likely sometime in the first half of next year.
nkotov 5y ago
Interesting time (with the Netlify news as well). But for me, this is really exciting. Curious to see what reInvent brings soon as well.
remorses 5y ago
Cloudflare is going crazy wow
lucasyvas 5y ago
Well on its way to being a huge contender in this space now. As I was saying on another post, I'm really just eager to see them roll out an in-house, more conventional datastore option that plugs in with this. If I can create a full-stack preview environment comprised of all these services, that will be huge. It's edge (no pun intended) is that it's globally available by default.
- samwillis 5y ago
  We are only half way through their "Full Stack Week", so I'm hoping they have something coming on that... Monday was Workers talking to external services + durable objects. Tuesday was upgrades to workers and the toolkit to make it easer to develop full apps on them. Wednesday (today) was Worker+Pages integration and front end development. No announcements yet of any upgrades to the Worker Key Value store, wouldn't be surprised if they have a day of datastore type announcements - its the part of the "full stack" they haven't covered this week yet. They have to climax on Friday with something big right?
  - donmcronald 5y ago
    Wow. I didn’t know it was a full week of announcements. I was thrilled with the static typing thing yesterday and this today, so I’m pretty excited to see the next 2 days now.
  - ignoramous 5y ago
    Price reductions and increase in script sizes (at 1MB, currently) would be nice, too.
    - vlovich123 5y ago
      We clearly agree https://blog.cloudflare.com/workers-now-even-more-unbound/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/workers-now-even-more-unbound/
  - daqhris 5y ago
    Plus, at the end of the week, announcements related to Web3 services during a broadcast on Cloudfare TV. Their CEO will be talking to a prominent crypto investor.
colinclerk 5y ago
How does everyone feel about Wrangler CLI versus git-triggered deploys through GitHub? I think Vercel and Render are both doing an incredible job with their deploy processes, and a lot is owed to them not requiring use of a CLI. I wonder if I'm in the minority here?
- squaresmile 5y ago
  We are using GitHub Actions with wrangler and it works fine. Git push and the site is deployed to worker kv site. It didn't do the one commit one subdomain though but maybe they are adding it with this announcement.
- lucasyvas 5y ago
  Personally, I prefer a separate deploy command if you want it - it allows you to more easily use external CI systems. There are several app platforms I've written off because they only worked via git.
buraktokak 5y ago
If they handle nextjs integration, would be very interesting.
seeekr 5y ago
Pretty cool to see them support Svelte(Kit) as the (or one of?) the first frameworks with direct support! Recently deployed a new application on Vercel, but very much looking forward to when Cloudflare will be an equally, or even more appealing choice! Amazing work, fantastic direction, keep it up!
- acjohnson55 5y ago
  Sounds like Vercel is going to get good Svelte support, too, now that they hired Rich Harris.
- onebot 5y ago
  My thought exactly!
- yumraj 5y ago
  Maybe Cloudflare should have hired Rich Harris, instead of Vercel. Hint hint, nudge nudge to both Cloudflare and Rich Harris :)
camgunz 5y ago
Supporting SvelteKit out of the box is huge for Svelte. I wonder if it's on the edge of an adoption surge.
- bovermyer 5y ago
  This is anecdotal, but migrating my biggest personal project from Vue+Webpack to Svelte+Rollup was one of the easiest and best changes I've made so far. Recently adding esbuild to the mix made things much faster, too.
  - koyote 5y ago
    As someone who uses and enjoys Vue for my personal project, could you elaborate on why going to Svelte was a 'best' change?
    - bovermyer 5y ago
      Vue was working pretty well for me until I decided to rewrite the whole project in Typescript. I hit a problem with Webpack that devoured all of my memory during a build, and despite spending days on it, I couldn't figure out why it was happening. The Vue CLI was also having similar problems, if I remember right, so I tried to replace the Vue CLI with home grown scripts. That didn't work either. So, I looked at other options, and discovered Svelte. I originally converted from Vue to Svelte out of necessity, but I've grown to adore how it's structured and how "Javascripty" it feels.
  - getcrunk 5y ago
    yea id love to hear more too
encryptluks2 5y ago
Does this require putting your website behind Cloudflare captchas, cause if so I don't foresee being able to use this. There is no reason to captcha a static website IMO.
- 888666 5y ago
  It does not.
- divbzero 5y ago
  You can always configure Cloudflare firewall settings to lower your website’s security level [1] and avoid using CAPTCHAs. [1]: https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200170056-Understanding-the-Cloudflare-Security-Level https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200170056-U...
haliskerbas 5y ago
Cloudflare pages is amazing and IMO the right direction. For a small project its so easy for me to create an html file and zap it right into a custom domain in a few minutes, with so much flexibility. I hope the free tier stays as good as it is now! Thanks folks :)
- eastdakota 5y ago
  I hope it gets even better. :-)
EGreg 5y ago
Honestly, I don't see the point in "serverless" as they call it (which is actually servers / centralized clouds), except maybe to have a common compilation target for stuff, to limit the surface area of APIs. Literally you can just control a lot more about your stack and do what you want (mysql, outside APIs, etc.) and use your servers as origin servers for the CDN. You can take your regular PHP site, separate out the "session-dependent" stuff into a separate service, and the rest is static resources that can be cached. Or even better: do ACTUAL serverless: https://qbix.com/blog/2018/04/03/onward-to-qbix-platform-2-0-serverless/ https://qbix.com/blog/2018/04/03/onward-to-qbix-platform-2-0... https://qbix.com/blog/2020/01/02/the-case-for-building-client-first-web-apps/ https://qbix.com/blog/2020/01/02/the-case-for-building-clien... I gave a talk recently about it, that you might be interested in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKPKuH6YCTc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKPKuH6YCTc
- ryan29 5y ago
  The Cloudflare stuff is the first "serverless" platform I've considered using. I develop independently and the value proposition is too good to ignore. They scale to $0 on idle deployments, I don't have to maintain any infrastructure, I don't need CI systems for building and deployment, I get preview URLs, I can layer in Cloudflare Access, etc.. I'm going to drink the Kool-aid and see how it tastes :-)
- kart23 5y ago
  price & convenience. It's really that simple.
brundolf 5y ago
Hmm, maybe it's finally time for me to move off of Heroku
holonomically 5y ago
Curious to know if anyone is running real production workloads with Cloudflare pages + workers. I'm asking because every time I've tried serverless offerings I've always been disappointed with the performance and debugging experience.
- WORMS_EAT_WORMS 5y ago
  > I've always been disappointed with the performance and debugging experience I think a comment like this deserves some details!
  - holonomically 5y ago
    Very often I'll have some function that works fine locally but breaks when deployed to the serverless environment and figuring out why it's broken takes a lot more time than expected. Often it's because I was using some feature that for some reason or another is not supported in the serverless sandbox but other times it's memory or CPU limitations that are completely opaque and impossible to debug. For example, is it possible to use libraries written in C. Node.js has a bunch of libraries like that and it's never clear if those are supported in any given serverless environment. Most of these platforms also don't have actual hard limits so it's possible to use up whatever budget is allotted to a project and then get throttled randomly without any indication of what exactly happened or why exactly the limits where reached. Maybe things have improved since last time I tried these platforms but I'm doubtful. It's very hard to design easily debuggable systems when there are so many layers of abstraction involved and there is no way to actually set breakpoints and see what is going on in the live process.
    - kall 5y ago
      Well for workers these questions can be answered more straightforward than for lambda: Will a node/C thing work? No. Only third party packages that are cleanly isomorphic will work. The most exciting thing you get is fetch. You can compile things to WebAssembly I guess. is performance good? For HTTP response times it‘s top notch. For compute, if it matters then it‘s not a good use case imho. If you‘ve had performance issues with workers (not compute bound) I would like to hear about them, because I have put it into a "way to go when I want every answer to be reliably fast" bucket. Debugging? Well… it‘s a matter taste if what they provide is enough. Better than lambda but worse then a local server.
getcrunk 5y ago
so whats the deal with the unlimited bandwidth? anyone pushing more than 10-100TB with input?
cloverich 5y ago
It is amazing to me that Heroku is sitting there letting everyone pass them by. Heroku is still a great platform for a scalable 0 effort full stack application. Yet as soon as you need a CDN hosted static site, you look outside the platform. Which is nuts, because they are such natural progressions (both ways) of each other.
- dopeboy 5y ago
  Agreed. Salesforce has really let it languish. You're even seeing superior offerings with direct competitors like Render.
  - davetron5000 5y ago
    There is no one who is eg the GM of Heroku. Salesforce has no idea what they have and are basically tying to figure out how to get existing SF customers to use it. I think they want Heroku customers to start using SF more but have no clue how. The result is that Heroku feels abandoned and on life support. Its too bad because Heroku is a great product that has a ton more potential.
- bloodyplonker22 5y ago
  These are wonderful companies -- one trick ponies. They come up with one great product and it almost sells itself. That is, until they cannot come up with new supporting products to increase growth. At this point, the companies install an outside CEO, or they get acquired by a large company while everyone smart cashes out and leaves. The smaller and more agile companies like Cloudflare completely take their market share with a product that will eventually be better. They are like little does that get eaten by the wolves. Another example is pagerduty. A company that has been around for well over a decade with no product innovation. They installed an outside CEO, a sales/marketing person who really doesn't have the technical know-how to come up with new innovations. As of today, Datadog has entered their market with a direct competitor product. The CEO of Datadog, conversely, lived and breathed dev-ops in his entire work career. He is the wolf that will be eating the lunch of the non-technical does.
Thorentis 5y ago
I predict that Cloudflare will try to acquire Netlify in the near future. This product is getting pretty close if not entirely in direct competition with them.
- neom 5y ago
  Cannot see that happening. Netlify is too big and has raised a lot of money, its already hard enough to deal with organizational debt once you become a public company. They acquired Linc, it was a pretty small startup and Glen Maddern their CTO is the engineer in this blog post. He also happens to be one of the smarter folks I've met. I really like the folks at Netlify and Vercel very much, all good people, but it I think it makes more sense that CF just takes the valuation of those two startups and tries to add it to their market cap organically.
- youngtaff 5y ago
  Can't see it happening… Cloudflare already have a better technology stack, that delivers a better visitor experience Netlify is Apache Traffic Server with bits wrapped around it, there's no CDN to speak of, limited feature set etc.
dvasdekis 5y ago
Would love to see support in your Terraform provider for CF pages - has been an open issue on your Terraform provider since April: https://github.com/cloudflare/terraform-provider-cloudflare/issues/1037 https://github.com/cloudflare/terraform-provider-cloudflare/... For context, our organisation has moved completely to Terraform for all our Cloud components, and not having Terraform support for Cloudflare Pages makes it a no-go. Even our Data Warehouse team has moved completely to Terraform, so something as 'webby' as static site hosting should be a simple use case.
- zeckalpha 5y ago
  You can contribute such a terraform provider from your end.
  - depereo 5y ago
    Maintain it and deal with other people's use-cases and bugs, when a $67B company won't put the effort in to helping you use their product? I know there's a maker culture here but there's a limit sometimes.
    - zeckalpha 5y ago
      You don’t need to open source it.
locusofself 5y ago
"By using your repo’s filesystem convention and exporting one or more function handlers, Pages can leverage Workers to deploy serverless functions on your behalf. To begin, simply add a ./functions directory in the root of your project" just my .02 but that first sentence is way more confusing than it needs to be.
- acjohnson55 5y ago
  I'm pretty sure it just means that file paths are mapped to URL routes and the functions exported within become handlers for the given HTTP methods. This would be as opposed to implementing the routing logic as code. But I haven't used it, so I don't know.
newsbinator 5y ago
I gave up on Cloudflare Workers after spending a full work day debugging CORS errors that the worker was throwing due to a logic error that was completely unrelated to CORS. You can only spend so many hours in your life tweaking and re-testing CORS headers for no reason. Maybe Pages is better. I just don't want to touch Workers on the backend of Pages anymore.
- nevikashah 5y ago
  Sorry to hear about your experience with Workers. Be sure to get in touch if you have more questions about it. If you'd like to try out Pages, we recently announced support for setting custom headers with an `_headers` file. Check out the announcement here(https://blog.cloudflare.com/custom-headers-for-pages/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/custom-headers-for-pages/). Docs are also linked in the blog!
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350 points by samwillis 5y ago

Hey there - I'm the PM for Pages! Super excited about this release today. We also announced our support for GitLab and partnerships with several CMSes! Happy to answer any questions.

Scarbutt 5y ago
It's not full stack until there is a real database offer ;)
- jonsully 5y ago
  KV workers are pretty close FWIW
iainmerrick 5y ago
Does Pages now support multiple deployments from a single git repository? When I looked a while back it seemed like there was no way to host multiple domains on CF Pages from a monorepo. GH Pages has the same limitation, but Netlify does support monorepos.
- nevikashah 5y ago
  support for monorepos are on deck and coming soon!
RcouF1uZ4gsC 5y ago
Very exciting! What is your story with Pages and Rust Workers? Will they get the benefits of automatic deployment or is it still required to use Wrangler and manually wire things together?
brycewray 5y ago
Great announcements today. Hoping you can share any expected progress on the long build times (chiefly initializing the build environment itself), which right now constitute the only real down-side of CFP IMHO.
- nevikashah 5y ago
  Totally understand the frustration! Improving build times is at the front of our minds and the work is well underway - stay tuned for updates!
boleary-gl 5y ago
GitLab team-member here. So exciting to see GitLab support! I'll finally be giving Pages a try later today. :)
technobabbler 5y ago
It's really exciting to see Cloudflare Pages keep progressing! Any plan to eventually offer drop-in support for Next.js? (Not just static builds, but the backend server/serverless functions too, like Vercel... maybe mapping certain APIs to Workers?). It would be lovely to be able to leverage the power of that framework on Cloudflare infrastructure. Edit: Next and frameworks like it solve the "I love the idea of serverless, but don't want to reinvent the whole backend from scratch" problem. It's nice to have a framework abstract away problems like routing, caching, invalidations, buildchains, image transformations, etc. Cloudflare Pages and Workers can do almost all the same things, but requires more coding and configuration... that's the only reason we went with Next + Vercel instead of Pages.
- WORMS_EAT_WORMS 5y ago
  Agree. Also, FWIW, what Cloudflare built is definitely a nice option. I would prefer even closer integration though and will be test driving this. But… This is almost just like an index.html and api.php file on a server. I think what devs really need/want is the Svelte Kit adaptor but an official Cloudflare way. Edit: Apparently the functions support parameterized files like .functions/friends/[name].js [1] which creates a lot closer integration. Put that feature front and center! I think this really solves many issues. [1] https://blog.cloudflare.com/building-full-stack-with-pages/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/building-full-stack-with-pages/
- whiskypeters 5y ago
  there is https://github.com/flareact/flareact https://github.com/flareact/flareact in development by a shopify engineer, worth checking out... seems like a good architecture for deeper integration with workers runtime
  - DoctorOW 5y ago
    This is the first thing I thought of as I was reading the server side section
  - technobabbler 5y ago
    Saw this a few months ago and briefly considered it, but it seemed too risky to use on a production website. Next.js is maintained by an entire company (Vercel). If Flareact ever gains official Cloudflare support, that'd be wonderful!
zapita 5y ago
Is there a way to push content directly to Pages instead of having it pull from Github or Gitlab? Many teams have their own deployment tooling with pre-existing git integrations, and would rather add a Pages target to that. For example Netlify lets you bypass their github pull feature. Does Cloudflare?
- tailspin2019 5y ago
  Yep this one is important to me too. I really dislike the GitHub integration approach, but I get that it makes it simpler for some use cases.
- segphault 5y ago
  I'm interested in non-git deployment as well. For an image-heavy site, I would really prefer to avoid having to store static assets in GitHub so that I don't have to deal with git LFS. It would be nice if their CLI tool could support directly deploying a Pages application.
- nevikashah 5y ago
  Right now, you can only create a project through GitHub/GitLab. However, being able to upload your pre-built assets directly to Pages is something we are working on now! Listen out for updates!
  - zapita 5y ago
    Thanks. This makes Pages a non-starter for me. I look forward to trying it with direct upload!
naiv 5y ago
The link to the 'example to see the SvelteKit adapter' in the article is broken (https://github.com/lukeed/pages-fullstack https://github.com/lukeed/pages-fullstack)
- showerst 5y ago
  So is the link to the usage limits.
  - nevikashah 5y ago
    working on this now - should be fixed soon
    - nevikashah 5y ago
      clear cache and cookies - docs are up :)
      - hunter2_ 5y ago
        I hope this doesn't come across too aggressively, but if merely clicking "refresh" doesn't do the trick (as suggested through a recommendation to clear cache/cookies) please investigate some cache-busting techniques!
      - icemelt8 5y ago
        The @sveltejs/adapter-cloudflare package isn't published to NPM yet. reply
    - iruoy 5y ago
      The @sveltejs/adapter-cloudflare package isn't published to NPM yet.
xbenjii 5y ago
Awesome! Do you know if/when there will be support for self-hosted Gitlab instances?
pacino 5y ago
Hi! Do you know if this release changes the ability to enable wildcard subdomain routing to Pages without requiring a >$200/mo Enterprise plan? Its a feature Netlify offer in their $19 "Pro" plan and is a roadblock for us to fully leverage Pages.
tn890 5y ago
If I just wanted to deploy a blog from github to Cloudflare pages, what would be the best way of doing that without writing javascript? Is there a way currently?
- gregbrimble 5y ago
  Absolutely possible! If you've just got a folder of static assets, you can connect it up to Pages, and enter that directory as the "build output directory". https://developers.cloudflare.com/pages/framework-guides/deploy-anything https://developers.cloudflare.com/pages/framework-guides/dep...
  - tn890 5y ago
    Thank you. Docs are good, I'm already up and running :)
- masa331 5y ago
  For that you can use Github pages and you don't need to touch JS or Cloudflare
  - tn890 5y ago
    Tried that, what I really like about Cloudflare is that it offers me more freedom than Github which basically forces you to use Jekyll if I'm not mistaken.
    - masa331 5y ago
      What do you mean by more freedom? You definitelly don't need Jekyll for Github pages. Any static page can be hosted on Github pages
    - leodriesch 5y ago
      You are mistaken, you can deploy any static site. I’ve deployed a couple of static documentation sites with automated builds with the help of GitHub Actions [0]. [0]: https://github.com/marketplace/actions/github-pages-action https://github.com/marketplace/actions/github-pages-action
bovermyer 5y ago
Just last week I moved two of my personal projects from GitLab to GitHub just so I could use Pages for them. If only I'd waited one more week...
no_wizard 5y ago
is this team hiring at all?
- rita3ko 5y ago
  it sure is: https://boards.greenhouse.io/cloudflare/jobs/3156953?gh_jid=3156953 https://boards.greenhouse.io/cloudflare/jobs/3156953?gh_jid=...
ignoramous 5y ago
Hi: - Are Pages functions running Workers Unbound or Workers Bundled? - Do functions support Worker composition announced yesterday [0]? [0] https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-worker-services/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-worker-services/
xrd 5y ago
Where is information on gitlab support? I didn't see it linked in the post. Is this just the main gitlab service, or are any third party gitlab servers possible? I'm building a svelte-kit based blogging framework called Svekyll with a hosting service called ExtraStatic. It all uses gitlab on the backend and I'm very curious if you could author on ExtraStatic and then publish into cloudflare. Right now I use the static adapter but I'm interested in seeing if the cloudflare adapter just works. ExtraStatic is interesting because it allows you to publish without really knowing git. You can publish using just email, or you can use the creator tool or the Android app to publish into gitlab and then it builds automatically. Hosting on cloudflare would be awesome. Very exciting stuff!
- gregbrimble 5y ago
  GitLab blog post: https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-pages-partners-with-gitlab/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-pages-partners-with-g... Sounds like what you're describing would be possible!
  - xrd 5y ago
    Thanks for the link! Unfortunately, it looks like this only works with gitlab.com. I don't think my GitLab instance will work as this blog post describes. It's still an incredibly cool offering and I am sure there is a way to do it with just vanilla CI inside my GitLab instance.
icemelt8 5y ago
Pages right now cannot build a svelteKit app 18:18:10.017 (node:1521) ExperimentalWarning: The ESM module loader is experimental. 18:18:10.028 file:///opt/buildhome/repo/node_modules/@sveltejs/kit/dist/cli.js:856 18:18:10.028 https = https || !!vite_config.server?.https;

kokanee 5y ago

My first experience with Pages for a static site was really positive. I'm going to have to think of a full stack app idea just so I can try this out.

lewisjoe 5y ago

As an indie software maker it frustrates me when I have to pay 50$ dollars to have a decent cloud server setup to run my apps. Yes there are 5$ shared vm-s, but I want a decent enough ram and cores to lift my load. And a 4gb ram and 4 cores shouldn't cost me 50$ either. I knew when WASM was introduced, this will bring out a new dimension of computing power available at affordable cost. But I wasn't sure how. But now I know. Cloudflare is doing some incredible work here, launching cloudflare workers and then capitalizing it to bring low cost computing to other edges. If lucky, we might enter an era where cloud infrastructure doesn't gets polarized into hands of tech giants like amazon, microsoft and stays affordable as it once was.

welterde 5y ago
There are many many providers that offer deals that are more than within the stated budget. Hetzner Cloud will give you around 16-32GB and more than 4 cores for <50$. For similar amount of money you can also get a dedicated server from them (and many other providers) with > 60GB of RAM, > 4 cores and nvme. Scaleway, OVH and others also have offerings that are not too far off (but less familiar with their offerings).
- Scarbutt 5y ago
  When trying these cloud providers I always come back to AWS, the AWS network is so good.
  - Hamuko 5y ago
    It better be good since it's so expensive. NAT Gateways run on money.
Tomte 5y ago
Oracle Cloud free tier. 4 cores ARM64, 24GB of RAM, 200GB disk.
- ohyeshedid 5y ago
  Fwiw, consensus, in some circles, is that's a very limited offering and they like to entirely delete accounts after the trial if you don't respond to their sales/onboarding emails. They may even continue to email you reminders about your trial expiring and tell you that you can still use all the free tier offerings, even though you can't log in anymore because the account is gone.

0xy 5y ago

This is really exciting stuff, they're so close to a one stop shop for DevOps, monitoring, serverless backend, file storage, data store and frontend asset serving. I feel it's now within reach to migrate one of my side projects, except Redis and Postgres which I'll have to keep on AWS for now. It seems they're building a fully integrated developer experience that abstracts so much complexity away from deployment, security and otherwise. I have to imagine database and other solutions like pub/sub will be coming at some point in the future, too. (disclosure: long $NET)

rtcoms 5y ago
postgres can be hosted via supabase. Redis also has cloud service I think
- jfvinueza 5y ago
  upstash, very cf-worker oriented https://www.upstash.com/ https://www.upstash.com/
- smw 5y ago
  cockroachdb serverless

redm 5y ago

It's interesting how the news cycle goes. Today on the HN homepage: Netlify Raises $105M (netlify.com) Netlify Acquires OneGraph (netlify.com) Cloudflare Pages Goes Full Stack (cloudflare.com) It will be interesting to see how this all plays out..

destitude 5y ago
That is an interesting observation. I'd think Cloudflare has the upperhand because of their CDN and soon built-in object storage with "no" egress fees... going to be hard to compete against that.
spyke112 5y ago
I for one will be migrating my static sites away from Netlify. I were just waiting for the Gitlab support.
- chana_masala 5y ago
  For what reasons?
jadbox 5y ago
Also Rich Harris (Svelte creator) joined Vercel this week: https://twitter.com/Rich_Harris/status/1458822051263823875 https://twitter.com/Rich_Harris/status/1458822051263823875

bastardoperator 5y ago

Awesome. I want to use Cloudflare more, especially the email service they announced. How much longer do I have to wait for these things to become GA?

rita3ko 5y ago
Pages itself has been GA for a little while now (https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-pages-ga/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-pages-ga/). For the integrations with Workers, it's TBD (we generally want to leave things in beta for a bit and let it bake in before giving you the thumbs up to put your production site on it), but we move fast, so likely sometime in the first half of next year.

nkotov 5y ago

Interesting time (with the Netlify news as well). But for me, this is really exciting. Curious to see what reInvent brings soon as well.

remorses 5y ago

Cloudflare is going crazy wow

lucasyvas 5y ago

Well on its way to being a huge contender in this space now. As I was saying on another post, I'm really just eager to see them roll out an in-house, more conventional datastore option that plugs in with this. If I can create a full-stack preview environment comprised of all these services, that will be huge. It's edge (no pun intended) is that it's globally available by default.

samwillis 5y ago
We are only half way through their "Full Stack Week", so I'm hoping they have something coming on that... Monday was Workers talking to external services + durable objects. Tuesday was upgrades to workers and the toolkit to make it easer to develop full apps on them. Wednesday (today) was Worker+Pages integration and front end development. No announcements yet of any upgrades to the Worker Key Value store, wouldn't be surprised if they have a day of datastore type announcements - its the part of the "full stack" they haven't covered this week yet. They have to climax on Friday with something big right?
- donmcronald 5y ago
  Wow. I didn’t know it was a full week of announcements. I was thrilled with the static typing thing yesterday and this today, so I’m pretty excited to see the next 2 days now.
- ignoramous 5y ago
  Price reductions and increase in script sizes (at 1MB, currently) would be nice, too.
  - vlovich123 5y ago
    We clearly agree https://blog.cloudflare.com/workers-now-even-more-unbound/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/workers-now-even-more-unbound/
- daqhris 5y ago
  Plus, at the end of the week, announcements related to Web3 services during a broadcast on Cloudfare TV. Their CEO will be talking to a prominent crypto investor.

colinclerk 5y ago

How does everyone feel about Wrangler CLI versus git-triggered deploys through GitHub? I think Vercel and Render are both doing an incredible job with their deploy processes, and a lot is owed to them not requiring use of a CLI. I wonder if I'm in the minority here?

squaresmile 5y ago
We are using GitHub Actions with wrangler and it works fine. Git push and the site is deployed to worker kv site. It didn't do the one commit one subdomain though but maybe they are adding it with this announcement.
lucasyvas 5y ago
Personally, I prefer a separate deploy command if you want it - it allows you to more easily use external CI systems. There are several app platforms I've written off because they only worked via git.

buraktokak 5y ago

If they handle nextjs integration, would be very interesting.

seeekr 5y ago

Pretty cool to see them support Svelte(Kit) as the (or one of?) the first frameworks with direct support! Recently deployed a new application on Vercel, but very much looking forward to when Cloudflare will be an equally, or even more appealing choice! Amazing work, fantastic direction, keep it up!

acjohnson55 5y ago
Sounds like Vercel is going to get good Svelte support, too, now that they hired Rich Harris.
onebot 5y ago
My thought exactly!
yumraj 5y ago
Maybe Cloudflare should have hired Rich Harris, instead of Vercel. Hint hint, nudge nudge to both Cloudflare and Rich Harris :)

camgunz 5y ago

Supporting SvelteKit out of the box is huge for Svelte. I wonder if it's on the edge of an adoption surge.

bovermyer 5y ago
This is anecdotal, but migrating my biggest personal project from Vue+Webpack to Svelte+Rollup was one of the easiest and best changes I've made so far. Recently adding esbuild to the mix made things much faster, too.
- koyote 5y ago
  As someone who uses and enjoys Vue for my personal project, could you elaborate on why going to Svelte was a 'best' change?
  - bovermyer 5y ago
    Vue was working pretty well for me until I decided to rewrite the whole project in Typescript. I hit a problem with Webpack that devoured all of my memory during a build, and despite spending days on it, I couldn't figure out why it was happening. The Vue CLI was also having similar problems, if I remember right, so I tried to replace the Vue CLI with home grown scripts. That didn't work either. So, I looked at other options, and discovered Svelte. I originally converted from Vue to Svelte out of necessity, but I've grown to adore how it's structured and how "Javascripty" it feels.
- getcrunk 5y ago
  yea id love to hear more too

encryptluks2 5y ago

Does this require putting your website behind Cloudflare captchas, cause if so I don't foresee being able to use this. There is no reason to captcha a static website IMO.

888666 5y ago
It does not.
divbzero 5y ago
You can always configure Cloudflare firewall settings to lower your website’s security level [1] and avoid using CAPTCHAs. [1]: https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200170056-Understanding-the-Cloudflare-Security-Level https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200170056-U...

haliskerbas 5y ago

Cloudflare pages is amazing and IMO the right direction. For a small project its so easy for me to create an html file and zap it right into a custom domain in a few minutes, with so much flexibility. I hope the free tier stays as good as it is now! Thanks folks :)

eastdakota 5y ago
I hope it gets even better. :-)

EGreg 5y ago

Honestly, I don't see the point in "serverless" as they call it (which is actually servers / centralized clouds), except maybe to have a common compilation target for stuff, to limit the surface area of APIs. Literally you can just control a lot more about your stack and do what you want (mysql, outside APIs, etc.) and use your servers as origin servers for the CDN. You can take your regular PHP site, separate out the "session-dependent" stuff into a separate service, and the rest is static resources that can be cached. Or even better: do ACTUAL serverless: https://qbix.com/blog/2018/04/03/onward-to-qbix-platform-2-0-serverless/ https://qbix.com/blog/2018/04/03/onward-to-qbix-platform-2-0... https://qbix.com/blog/2020/01/02/the-case-for-building-client-first-web-apps/ https://qbix.com/blog/2020/01/02/the-case-for-building-clien... I gave a talk recently about it, that you might be interested in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKPKuH6YCTc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKPKuH6YCTc

ryan29 5y ago
The Cloudflare stuff is the first "serverless" platform I've considered using. I develop independently and the value proposition is too good to ignore. They scale to $0 on idle deployments, I don't have to maintain any infrastructure, I don't need CI systems for building and deployment, I get preview URLs, I can layer in Cloudflare Access, etc.. I'm going to drink the Kool-aid and see how it tastes :-)
kart23 5y ago
price & convenience. It's really that simple.

brundolf 5y ago

Hmm, maybe it's finally time for me to move off of Heroku

holonomically 5y ago

Curious to know if anyone is running real production workloads with Cloudflare pages + workers. I'm asking because every time I've tried serverless offerings I've always been disappointed with the performance and debugging experience.

WORMS_EAT_WORMS 5y ago
> I've always been disappointed with the performance and debugging experience I think a comment like this deserves some details!
- holonomically 5y ago
  Very often I'll have some function that works fine locally but breaks when deployed to the serverless environment and figuring out why it's broken takes a lot more time than expected. Often it's because I was using some feature that for some reason or another is not supported in the serverless sandbox but other times it's memory or CPU limitations that are completely opaque and impossible to debug. For example, is it possible to use libraries written in C. Node.js has a bunch of libraries like that and it's never clear if those are supported in any given serverless environment. Most of these platforms also don't have actual hard limits so it's possible to use up whatever budget is allotted to a project and then get throttled randomly without any indication of what exactly happened or why exactly the limits where reached. Maybe things have improved since last time I tried these platforms but I'm doubtful. It's very hard to design easily debuggable systems when there are so many layers of abstraction involved and there is no way to actually set breakpoints and see what is going on in the live process.
  - kall 5y ago
    Well for workers these questions can be answered more straightforward than for lambda: Will a node/C thing work? No. Only third party packages that are cleanly isomorphic will work. The most exciting thing you get is fetch. You can compile things to WebAssembly I guess. is performance good? For HTTP response times it‘s top notch. For compute, if it matters then it‘s not a good use case imho. If you‘ve had performance issues with workers (not compute bound) I would like to hear about them, because I have put it into a "way to go when I want every answer to be reliably fast" bucket. Debugging? Well… it‘s a matter taste if what they provide is enough. Better than lambda but worse then a local server.

getcrunk 5y ago

so whats the deal with the unlimited bandwidth? anyone pushing more than 10-100TB with input?

cloverich 5y ago

It is amazing to me that Heroku is sitting there letting everyone pass them by. Heroku is still a great platform for a scalable 0 effort full stack application. Yet as soon as you need a CDN hosted static site, you look outside the platform. Which is nuts, because they are such natural progressions (both ways) of each other.

dopeboy 5y ago
Agreed. Salesforce has really let it languish. You're even seeing superior offerings with direct competitors like Render.
- davetron5000 5y ago
  There is no one who is eg the GM of Heroku. Salesforce has no idea what they have and are basically tying to figure out how to get existing SF customers to use it. I think they want Heroku customers to start using SF more but have no clue how. The result is that Heroku feels abandoned and on life support. Its too bad because Heroku is a great product that has a ton more potential.
bloodyplonker22 5y ago
These are wonderful companies -- one trick ponies. They come up with one great product and it almost sells itself. That is, until they cannot come up with new supporting products to increase growth. At this point, the companies install an outside CEO, or they get acquired by a large company while everyone smart cashes out and leaves. The smaller and more agile companies like Cloudflare completely take their market share with a product that will eventually be better. They are like little does that get eaten by the wolves. Another example is pagerduty. A company that has been around for well over a decade with no product innovation. They installed an outside CEO, a sales/marketing person who really doesn't have the technical know-how to come up with new innovations. As of today, Datadog has entered their market with a direct competitor product. The CEO of Datadog, conversely, lived and breathed dev-ops in his entire work career. He is the wolf that will be eating the lunch of the non-technical does.

Thorentis 5y ago

I predict that Cloudflare will try to acquire Netlify in the near future. This product is getting pretty close if not entirely in direct competition with them.

neom 5y ago
Cannot see that happening. Netlify is too big and has raised a lot of money, its already hard enough to deal with organizational debt once you become a public company. They acquired Linc, it was a pretty small startup and Glen Maddern their CTO is the engineer in this blog post. He also happens to be one of the smarter folks I've met. I really like the folks at Netlify and Vercel very much, all good people, but it I think it makes more sense that CF just takes the valuation of those two startups and tries to add it to their market cap organically.
youngtaff 5y ago
Can't see it happening… Cloudflare already have a better technology stack, that delivers a better visitor experience Netlify is Apache Traffic Server with bits wrapped around it, there's no CDN to speak of, limited feature set etc.

dvasdekis 5y ago

Would love to see support in your Terraform provider for CF pages - has been an open issue on your Terraform provider since April: https://github.com/cloudflare/terraform-provider-cloudflare/issues/1037 https://github.com/cloudflare/terraform-provider-cloudflare/... For context, our organisation has moved completely to Terraform for all our Cloud components, and not having Terraform support for Cloudflare Pages makes it a no-go. Even our Data Warehouse team has moved completely to Terraform, so something as 'webby' as static site hosting should be a simple use case.

zeckalpha 5y ago
You can contribute such a terraform provider from your end.
- depereo 5y ago
  Maintain it and deal with other people's use-cases and bugs, when a $67B company won't put the effort in to helping you use their product? I know there's a maker culture here but there's a limit sometimes.
  - zeckalpha 5y ago
    You don’t need to open source it.

locusofself 5y ago

"By using your repo’s filesystem convention and exporting one or more function handlers, Pages can leverage Workers to deploy serverless functions on your behalf. To begin, simply add a ./functions directory in the root of your project" just my .02 but that first sentence is way more confusing than it needs to be.

acjohnson55 5y ago
I'm pretty sure it just means that file paths are mapped to URL routes and the functions exported within become handlers for the given HTTP methods. This would be as opposed to implementing the routing logic as code. But I haven't used it, so I don't know.

newsbinator 5y ago

I gave up on Cloudflare Workers after spending a full work day debugging CORS errors that the worker was throwing due to a logic error that was completely unrelated to CORS. You can only spend so many hours in your life tweaking and re-testing CORS headers for no reason. Maybe Pages is better. I just don't want to touch Workers on the backend of Pages anymore.

nevikashah 5y ago
Sorry to hear about your experience with Workers. Be sure to get in touch if you have more questions about it. If you'd like to try out Pages, we recently announced support for setting custom headers with an `_headers` file. Check out the announcement here(https://blog.cloudflare.com/custom-headers-for-pages/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/custom-headers-for-pages/). Docs are also linked in the blog!

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