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I haven’t formalized my thinking around this so it could be an incomplete and terrible take, but I’m not sure its a problem that some companies have a “terrible

by wand3r 5y ago

I haven’t formalized my thinking around this so it could be an incomplete and terrible take, but I’m not sure its a problem that some companies have a “terrible” culture. Obviously, there are protected classes and laws, etc. High Level though, this is an executive position. Just get a new job. Its not like I am yelling at a mcdonalds employee that if they don’t like fast food they can quit and starve to death. Suing a company kind of seems like a money grab. It sounds like she was treated terribly but as a highly compensated and experienced exec, like why didn’t she just walk away. Why bother going through a year of torture and then sue them to point out how bad they treated her. I really hate litigation culture in America. Totally prepared for alternate views and am not married to this PoV. These stories always rub me the wrong way though Edit: By “I’m not sure its a problem to let companies have terrible cultures” I just mean there is room in the market for people to have different approaches. If a culture truly is so bad that people won’t work there, then they won’t attract talent and put out good products and slowly die.

pavel_lishin 5y ago
> I’m not sure its a problem that some companies have a “terrible” culture. Obviously, there are protected classes and laws, etc. High Level though, this is an executive position. Just get a new job. Culture trickles down. > If a culture truly is so bad that people won’t work there, then they won’t attract talent and put out good products and slowly die. Or they'll attract only toxic employees, who are still capable of putting out a product, but will harm other employees who don't have the sort of economic mobility you're talking about.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  > Culture trickles down. On the contrary, prescriptive culture kills any other subculture. Corporate culture is a compromise, certainly nothing to strive for. There is often also a giant divide in culture between departments and that is also true for management and developers. You don't have to wonder why you are not well liked by colleagues when you are a diversity/inclusion hire that directly gets into a high position for external presentation reasons of the company. I guarantee you that she was in any case far better treated than the common warehouse worker. > “As more people whistleblow, they are seeing how these issues are interconnected in many ways,” Dubal said. Meaning they see the lucrative settlements because companies want it out of the press, which supports these allegations. Don't let yourself be played for a fool.
johnwalkr 5y ago
First of all, sex and gender identities are protected in the US and her complaints are about sexism. High level means there should be lots of opportunities, but on the other hand, where does an Amazon exec go if they want to leave? Facebook? As a good faith argument, maybe she saw a personal growth opportunity in the position and also a good-for-the-company growth opportunity to use her experience tap into more talent and/or more of the market. It's easy to stay for a while, even years, if you think you might make things better for yourself and others. As an outsider, when I got to the part about Ellen Pao I had to think a bit broader. When she was CEO of reddit, in 2014-2015, reddit was practically turning into Ron Paul supporters club. Many users backlashed against her and her decisions (main being banning harassment and revenge porn) and she stepped down. Looking back from 2021, those decisions sure seem good. I appreciate that you said "Totally prepared for alternate views and am not married to this PoV." It's the main reason I responded after reading the article.
- eluusive 5y ago
  "White boy" is both ageist and sexist. She's projecting; at least a some.
simion314 5y ago
Just ignoring bad or illegal things in the hope that the "Free market" solves it does not work most of the time, see the article that was on main page all day today about click to subscribe and call to unsuibscribe, Free market did not solve the issue, companies or individuals that cause harm need to be stopped. https://www.niemanlab.org/2021/11/the-end-of-click-to-subscribe-call-to-cancel-one-of-the-news-industrys-favorite-retention-tactics-is-illegal-ftc-says/

by wand3r 5y ago

pavel_lishin 5y ago

> I’m not sure its a problem that some companies have a “terrible” culture. Obviously, there are protected classes and laws, etc. High Level though, this is an executive position. Just get a new job. Culture trickles down. > If a culture truly is so bad that people won’t work there, then they won’t attract talent and put out good products and slowly die. Or they'll attract only toxic employees, who are still capable of putting out a product, but will harm other employees who don't have the sort of economic mobility you're talking about.

raxxorrax 5y ago
> Culture trickles down. On the contrary, prescriptive culture kills any other subculture. Corporate culture is a compromise, certainly nothing to strive for. There is often also a giant divide in culture between departments and that is also true for management and developers. You don't have to wonder why you are not well liked by colleagues when you are a diversity/inclusion hire that directly gets into a high position for external presentation reasons of the company. I guarantee you that she was in any case far better treated than the common warehouse worker. > “As more people whistleblow, they are seeing how these issues are interconnected in many ways,” Dubal said. Meaning they see the lucrative settlements because companies want it out of the press, which supports these allegations. Don't let yourself be played for a fool.

johnwalkr 5y ago

First of all, sex and gender identities are protected in the US and her complaints are about sexism. High level means there should be lots of opportunities, but on the other hand, where does an Amazon exec go if they want to leave? Facebook? As a good faith argument, maybe she saw a personal growth opportunity in the position and also a good-for-the-company growth opportunity to use her experience tap into more talent and/or more of the market. It's easy to stay for a while, even years, if you think you might make things better for yourself and others. As an outsider, when I got to the part about Ellen Pao I had to think a bit broader. When she was CEO of reddit, in 2014-2015, reddit was practically turning into Ron Paul supporters club. Many users backlashed against her and her decisions (main being banning harassment and revenge porn) and she stepped down. Looking back from 2021, those decisions sure seem good. I appreciate that you said "Totally prepared for alternate views and am not married to this PoV." It's the main reason I responded after reading the article.

eluusive 5y ago
"White boy" is both ageist and sexist. She's projecting; at least a some.

simion314 5y ago

Just ignoring bad or illegal things in the hope that the "Free market" solves it does not work most of the time, see the article that was on main page all day today about click to subscribe and call to unsuibscribe, Free market did not solve the issue, companies or individuals that cause harm need to be stopped. https://www.niemanlab.org/2021/11/the-end-of-click-to-subscribe-call-to-cancel-one-of-the-news-industrys-favorite-retention-tactics-is-illegal-ftc-says/