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Spain had 14,8% excess mortality than in normal years, Germany had 2,4% less dead, Sweden had 3% more dead. These numbers are adjusted for demographic changes.

Spain had 14,8% excess mortality than in normal years, Germany had 2,4% less dead, Sweden had 3% more dead. These numbers are adjusted for demographic changes. Sweden now looks pretty solid as well as Spain regarding new cases. Sure, if you just compare it to Norway and Finland, it is very true that Sweden has worse values, more than 3 times as many dead at minimum. But the answer if it was the correct or wrong choice will be answered after the current seasonal outbreak or in a few years. edit: Just looked it up again, Spain and Sweden are currently leading with Kosovo for having the lowest case incidence in Europe. Gibraltar has the highest and everyone is vaccinated there. I remember the articles about Gibraltar being the first immune country. They now have cancelled many official events.

fer 5y ago
Spain is a funny one. The Community of Madrid is the succession tax haven of the country, so loads of people go live there their last years so their families aren't taxed on the inherited wealth. Combine with the regional government short of condemning to death the elderly in nursing homes by refusing to hospitalize them[0], but I guess it's fine since they forgave themselves [1]. Add to the mix that the healthcare access hasn't kept up to handle what Madrid brought to itself, and then you obtain these numbers [2]. TL;DR: during the first wave, while most regions had peak excess deaths of 10-50%, Madrid had 200%, at the same time as being one of the most populous. In the rest of the periods, Madrid has been usually at the lead as well. With Madrid removed the numbers are in line with Germany and Sweden. [0] https://elpais.com/espana/madrid/2020-06-08/la-comunidad-de-madrid-envio-al-menos-cuatro-correos-para-excluir-de-hospitales-a-ancianos-de-residencias.html https://elpais.com/espana/madrid/2020-06-08/la-comunidad-de-... [1] https://www.lahoradigital.com/noticia/32918/madrid/la-investigacion-de-las-residencias-madrilenas-prometida-por-ayuso-se-quedo-en-una-consulta-informal.aspx https://www.lahoradigital.com/noticia/32918/madrid/la-invest... [2] https://www.isciii.es/QueHacemos/Servicios/VigilanciaSaludPublicaRENAVE/EnfermedadesTransmisibles/MoMo/Documents/informesMoMo2021/MoMo_Situacion%20a%2020%20de%20julio_CNE.pdf https://www.isciii.es/QueHacemos/Servicios/VigilanciaSaludPu...
CRConrad 5y ago
> Sure, if you just compare it to Norway and Finland, it is very true that Sweden has worse values, more than 3 times as many dead at minimum. More like 6 (Finland) and ~10? (Norway), by my calculations.

fer 5y ago

Spain is a funny one. The Community of Madrid is the succession tax haven of the country, so loads of people go live there their last years so their families aren't taxed on the inherited wealth. Combine with the regional government short of condemning to death the elderly in nursing homes by refusing to hospitalize them[0], but I guess it's fine since they forgave themselves [1]. Add to the mix that the healthcare access hasn't kept up to handle what Madrid brought to itself, and then you obtain these numbers [2]. TL;DR: during the first wave, while most regions had peak excess deaths of 10-50%, Madrid had 200%, at the same time as being one of the most populous. In the rest of the periods, Madrid has been usually at the lead as well. With Madrid removed the numbers are in line with Germany and Sweden. [0] https://elpais.com/espana/madrid/2020-06-08/la-comunidad-de-madrid-envio-al-menos-cuatro-correos-para-excluir-de-hospitales-a-ancianos-de-residencias.html https://elpais.com/espana/madrid/2020-06-08/la-comunidad-de-... [1] https://www.lahoradigital.com/noticia/32918/madrid/la-investigacion-de-las-residencias-madrilenas-prometida-por-ayuso-se-quedo-en-una-consulta-informal.aspx https://www.lahoradigital.com/noticia/32918/madrid/la-invest... [2] https://www.isciii.es/QueHacemos/Servicios/VigilanciaSaludPublicaRENAVE/EnfermedadesTransmisibles/MoMo/Documents/informesMoMo2021/MoMo_Situacion%20a%2020%20de%20julio_CNE.pdf https://www.isciii.es/QueHacemos/Servicios/VigilanciaSaludPu...

CRConrad 5y ago

> Sure, if you just compare it to Norway and Finland, it is very true that Sweden has worse values, more than 3 times as many dead at minimum. More like 6 (Finland) and ~10? (Norway), by my calculations.