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Surprised that the DoD cannot contractually gag a high-level departure from sharing internal dirty laundry like this, as an issue of national security, when you

Surprised that the DoD cannot contractually gag a high-level departure from sharing internal dirty laundry like this, as an issue of national security, when your typical corp would without a doubt suppress this kind of public lamentation. Does not look good for the US on the world stage.

dylan604 5y ago
Yeah, every corp out there would have a non-disclosure/non-disparge clause before receiving that shiny parachute being dangled in front of you on the way out the door. The problem is that with the military, that door might be 30k in the air so that 'chute might be pretty tempting! Guess the military hasn't had much need recruiting legal minds.
- JohnJamesRambo 5y ago
  "The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would steal them away." -Ronald Reagan I've got a lot of issues with him, but this quote is spot on.
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  - neilv 5y ago
    Government work still gets some top-capability people, who want to do something more worthwhile than is available in most of business.
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    - dylan604 5y ago
      If you're into math/crypto, no better place if you're not also into fintech and you don't want to be babysitter in academia.
  - kadoban 5y ago
    One of my many issues with him is that his quotes are trite nonsense. Not everyone is solely motivated by money, some of the most important work anywhere is in government, and there is fundamentally nothing preventing a government from getting the best workers for the job. Reaganism is just pessimistically giving up before you even try, and when ~half of the two parties believe it without doubt, it's self-fulfilling. They believe that government cannot do anything well, and then set out to prove it.
  - lern_too_spel 5y ago
    Depends on the government. Kennedy was able to poach McGeorge Bundy and McNamara (who also recruited Daniel Ellsberg, another member of the Harvard Society of Fellows) from the private sector, as well as enough scientists and engineers to put people on the moon. McNamara had worked for the government before that during World War 2, as well as the entire team of Manhattan Project scientists. The quality of applicants to government jobs took a tumble after the Vietnam era. Singapore's government pays well enough to compete for top talent against the private sector, and I have no doubt that China is capable of staffing high priority government projects well also.
    - dylan604 5y ago
      Isn't every job in China technically a gov't job? If the gov't owns all business blah blah
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    Reagan being in government shows how spot on the quote is.
  - epistasis 5y ago
    I think this is easily refuted by large portions of our government, not least of which is our military. Even if a random Lt. Col. doesn't have enough software experience, they tend to all be damn impressive executives. People are motivated by more than money. I certainly am, and would be far wealthier if I was only middling on career paths that use similar skills. In the end, talented people (and less talented people) have strong opinions about what they work on when given choices, and money is not the sole consideration.
  - Brian_K_White 5y ago
    That's just projection. "I don't care about anything as much as money, so I know no one else does either."
  - therobot24 5y ago
    it really isn't, there's plenty of very smart people in the gov and it's incredibly short sighted (just as reagan was) to assume that less money & more restrictions in how the job operates = lower quality worker
- Spooky23 5y ago
  You want a government where you aren’t able to hear bad news from within the government? Companies can go out of business… governments generally don’t.
indymike 5y ago
> Surprised that the DoD cannot contractually gag a high-level departure from sharing internal dirty laundry like this, as an issue of national security, Why waste your time on a civil contract when you can classify something and put the departure in prison for a very long time for disclosing classified information?
someguydave 5y ago
That’s crazy, he is a public employee of a government whose legitimacy is supposedly derived from the consent of the people. He absolutely should share with the public what he sees as the shortcomings of his office.
- counternotions 5y ago
  In principle that’s ideal and commendable, when all is well; this is unfortunately a detrimental symptom of a high-functioning democracy in a declining empire.
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dylan604 5y ago

Yeah, every corp out there would have a non-disclosure/non-disparge clause before receiving that shiny parachute being dangled in front of you on the way out the door. The problem is that with the military, that door might be 30k in the air so that 'chute might be pretty tempting! Guess the military hasn't had much need recruiting legal minds.

JohnJamesRambo 5y ago
"The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would steal them away." -Ronald Reagan I've got a lot of issues with him, but this quote is spot on.
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- neilv 5y ago
  Government work still gets some top-capability people, who want to do something more worthwhile than is available in most of business.
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  - dylan604 5y ago
    If you're into math/crypto, no better place if you're not also into fintech and you don't want to be babysitter in academia.
- kadoban 5y ago
  One of my many issues with him is that his quotes are trite nonsense. Not everyone is solely motivated by money, some of the most important work anywhere is in government, and there is fundamentally nothing preventing a government from getting the best workers for the job. Reaganism is just pessimistically giving up before you even try, and when ~half of the two parties believe it without doubt, it's self-fulfilling. They believe that government cannot do anything well, and then set out to prove it.
- lern_too_spel 5y ago
  Depends on the government. Kennedy was able to poach McGeorge Bundy and McNamara (who also recruited Daniel Ellsberg, another member of the Harvard Society of Fellows) from the private sector, as well as enough scientists and engineers to put people on the moon. McNamara had worked for the government before that during World War 2, as well as the entire team of Manhattan Project scientists. The quality of applicants to government jobs took a tumble after the Vietnam era. Singapore's government pays well enough to compete for top talent against the private sector, and I have no doubt that China is capable of staffing high priority government projects well also.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    Isn't every job in China technically a gov't job? If the gov't owns all business blah blah
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  Reagan being in government shows how spot on the quote is.
- epistasis 5y ago
  I think this is easily refuted by large portions of our government, not least of which is our military. Even if a random Lt. Col. doesn't have enough software experience, they tend to all be damn impressive executives. People are motivated by more than money. I certainly am, and would be far wealthier if I was only middling on career paths that use similar skills. In the end, talented people (and less talented people) have strong opinions about what they work on when given choices, and money is not the sole consideration.
- Brian_K_White 5y ago
  That's just projection. "I don't care about anything as much as money, so I know no one else does either."
- therobot24 5y ago
  it really isn't, there's plenty of very smart people in the gov and it's incredibly short sighted (just as reagan was) to assume that less money & more restrictions in how the job operates = lower quality worker
Spooky23 5y ago
You want a government where you aren’t able to hear bad news from within the government? Companies can go out of business… governments generally don’t.

indymike 5y ago

> Surprised that the DoD cannot contractually gag a high-level departure from sharing internal dirty laundry like this, as an issue of national security, Why waste your time on a civil contract when you can classify something and put the departure in prison for a very long time for disclosing classified information?

someguydave 5y ago

That’s crazy, he is a public employee of a government whose legitimacy is supposedly derived from the consent of the people. He absolutely should share with the public what he sees as the shortcomings of his office.

counternotions 5y ago
In principle that’s ideal and commendable, when all is well; this is unfortunately a detrimental symptom of a high-functioning democracy in a declining empire.

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