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Does this work help humanity or corporations? Could a large portion be given to the commons instead of sold to the highest bidder? Could we reinvent what the in

by foxhop 5y ago

Does this work help humanity or corporations? Could a large portion be given to the commons instead of sold to the highest bidder? Could we reinvent what the internet means and use this capacity for public and shared municipalities ran by the people for the people?

dtaht 5y ago
the zeroth draft gives folk with an allocation a free new IP address.
easton 5y ago
Not in any way that IPv6 doesn't. Most internet users are using their phones these days, and most carriers (at least in the US) give you a IPv6 address. And more and more ISPs are getting their heads out of their collective butts about getting IPv6 support now that it's getting expensive to buy IPv4 addresses. Also, most ISPs (probably not the phone carriers) when giving you IPv6 give you a /64, so you get 2^64 (18,446,744,073,709,551,616) addresses. Which if you're anti-corporation, gives you a lot more room to play with than a single IP that you'll need to NAT behind.
- franga2000 5y ago
  /64 is actually pretty useless since you can't automatically allocate anything smaller than that. If I want to give each host on my net a bunch of addresses (maybe /72) I have to do that manually - DHCPv6/RA/whatever will straight up refuse to allocate anything smaller.
  - api 5y ago
    You sure DHCP can’t do that? That surprises me given how many options it has. Maybe your server implementation just can’t.
- mjevans 5y ago
  Why can't they give me a proper /56 so I have at least 256 addresses to play with on the part that's intended to be used for prefix delegation? Even Comcast Business allocates a /56 but the stupid modems they require you to lease to use that service reserve 4 more bits of that so you only really get to operation on a /60. CONSUMER gear should be getting at least /56 to the internal network, and Business grade should probably get at least /52. Which is almost what RIPE recommends (up to /48 for business customers, and /56 for normal users). https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-690 https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-690

by foxhop 5y ago

dtaht 5y ago

the zeroth draft gives folk with an allocation a free new IP address.

easton 5y ago

Not in any way that IPv6 doesn't. Most internet users are using their phones these days, and most carriers (at least in the US) give you a IPv6 address. And more and more ISPs are getting their heads out of their collective butts about getting IPv6 support now that it's getting expensive to buy IPv4 addresses. Also, most ISPs (probably not the phone carriers) when giving you IPv6 give you a /64, so you get 2^64 (18,446,744,073,709,551,616) addresses. Which if you're anti-corporation, gives you a lot more room to play with than a single IP that you'll need to NAT behind.

franga2000 5y ago
/64 is actually pretty useless since you can't automatically allocate anything smaller than that. If I want to give each host on my net a bunch of addresses (maybe /72) I have to do that manually - DHCPv6/RA/whatever will straight up refuse to allocate anything smaller.
- api 5y ago
  You sure DHCP can’t do that? That surprises me given how many options it has. Maybe your server implementation just can’t.
mjevans 5y ago
Why can't they give me a proper /56 so I have at least 256 addresses to play with on the part that's intended to be used for prefix delegation? Even Comcast Business allocates a /56 but the stupid modems they require you to lease to use that service reserve 4 more bits of that so you only really get to operation on a /60. CONSUMER gear should be getting at least /56 to the internal network, and Business grade should probably get at least /52. Which is almost what RIPE recommends (up to /48 for business customers, and /56 for normal users). https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-690 https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-690