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How do you feel about immigrants? All nations indoctrinate their citizens for decades: you must be loyal, patriotic, etc. Yet we see immigrants. At what point i

How do you feel about immigrants? All nations indoctrinate their citizens for decades: you must be loyal, patriotic, etc. Yet we see immigrants. At what point is it ok to do business with an immigrant? After they get their citizenship (2 decades)? What about American citizens with dual citizenship? Is it ok to do business with them? People who start their job search before quitting their current job? Should they be considered at all for employment. People who convert from their religion at birth? Can they be trusted? Is it ok to be unfaithful before marriage (dating/cohabiting), before you met the person you are supposed to be with the rest of your life? Is it ok to be unfaithful after marriage has ended (dating/marriage)?

quietbritishjim 5y ago
> All nations indoctrinate their citizens for decades What has this got to do with anything? Being told by your country you should feel a certain way is a one-sided arrangement. It's totally unrelated to voluntarily deciding to make a promise to someone, and arranging for all your friends and relatives (and god, if that makes sense to you) to be present while you make that promise.
Drakim 5y ago
A relationship or marriage is something personally that you decide to commit to. You are making a promise to them, a commitment to that person, on the very deepest level. You are implying that the national indoctrination is the same, but it's obviously not. Lots of people have to listen to that indoctrination but doesn't agree with it. Loyalty cannot be broken when it was not given in the first place.
_zn02 5y ago
Immigrants: you don't get to choose where you're born. Dual citizenship seems similar. I see no particular reason to consider "allegiance to the government" as a matter of trustworthiness, barring actual treason. Job search: this is a real topic of debate in the business world already, but seems pretty commonly accepted due to the deteriorating nature of employer-employee relationships. Religious conversions: the "you don't get to choose birth religion" argument from above combined with the inherently illogical nature of religion makes this one nearly impossible to judge on. Unfaithful before marriage: seems pretty easy to toss this into the same category as "unfaithful during marriage". Not trying to be flippant, but I genuinely do see basically all of the cases you listed as strictly less serious than being unfaithful during a committed relationship.
tim333 5y ago
That's a rather odd way of looking at it.

quietbritishjim 5y ago

> All nations indoctrinate their citizens for decades What has this got to do with anything? Being told by your country you should feel a certain way is a one-sided arrangement. It's totally unrelated to voluntarily deciding to make a promise to someone, and arranging for all your friends and relatives (and god, if that makes sense to you) to be present while you make that promise.

Drakim 5y ago

A relationship or marriage is something personally that you decide to commit to. You are making a promise to them, a commitment to that person, on the very deepest level. You are implying that the national indoctrination is the same, but it's obviously not. Lots of people have to listen to that indoctrination but doesn't agree with it. Loyalty cannot be broken when it was not given in the first place.

_zn02 5y ago

Immigrants: you don't get to choose where you're born. Dual citizenship seems similar. I see no particular reason to consider "allegiance to the government" as a matter of trustworthiness, barring actual treason. Job search: this is a real topic of debate in the business world already, but seems pretty commonly accepted due to the deteriorating nature of employer-employee relationships. Religious conversions: the "you don't get to choose birth religion" argument from above combined with the inherently illogical nature of religion makes this one nearly impossible to judge on. Unfaithful before marriage: seems pretty easy to toss this into the same category as "unfaithful during marriage". Not trying to be flippant, but I genuinely do see basically all of the cases you listed as strictly less serious than being unfaithful during a committed relationship.

tim333 5y ago

That's a rather odd way of looking at it.