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> The official and widely spread keyboard layout in France is AZERTY. Compared to QWERTY, it adds extra letters such as « é » and « ç ». Unfortunately a lot of

by baby 5y ago

> The official and widely spread keyboard layout in France is AZERTY. Compared to QWERTY, it adds extra letters such as « é » and « ç ». Unfortunately a lot of characters are missing, for example it's impossible to type « É » or « Ç ». It's also impossible to type the French quotation marks (« »), and other special characters such as « œ » and « æ ». French users usually rely on autocorrect to fix the shortcomings of AZERTY, which is unacceptable. I would argue that we should just get rid of accents on uppercase letters, and that we should get rid of characters like œ and æ. Also what is the point of having different quotation marks? Even in english. Language gets simpler over time, let's just take a shortcut.

benhurmarcel 5y ago
Accents on uppercase letters aren’t just about typography though, it can actually change the meaning.
version_five 5y ago
If you were writing something formal for work, and were told to just get rid of essential characters or punctuation in your working language and adopt those of another language, do you think your audience would be OK with that?
- baby 5y ago
  I'm not talking about adopting those of another language, I'm talking about L’Académie française changing the rules of the language, like they've done multiple times to simplify the language[1]. Do you find all these extra accents confusing? Most French people do as well, and most people do not use them correctly anyway (even in writing). It's not just French people, my SO is Romanian and they have the same issue and will often omit their special characters when writing. [1]: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectifications_orthographiques_du_fran%C3%A7ais_en_1990 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectifications_orthographiques...
  - version_five 5y ago
    Fair enough, I had interpreted you post as English / US centric, "why can't they just use our alphabet" but that was my mistake, sorry. FWIW, my wife (French) is a BÉPO enthusiast - my own french is not good enough to have an opinion but I just asked her (without any context) if she has any trouble with typeing accents, and she said "No, because I use a BÉPO keyboard".

by baby 5y ago

benhurmarcel 5y ago

Accents on uppercase letters aren’t just about typography though, it can actually change the meaning.

version_five 5y ago

If you were writing something formal for work, and were told to just get rid of essential characters or punctuation in your working language and adopt those of another language, do you think your audience would be OK with that?

baby 5y ago
I'm not talking about adopting those of another language, I'm talking about L’Académie française changing the rules of the language, like they've done multiple times to simplify the language[1]. Do you find all these extra accents confusing? Most French people do as well, and most people do not use them correctly anyway (even in writing). It's not just French people, my SO is Romanian and they have the same issue and will often omit their special characters when writing. [1]: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectifications_orthographiques_du_fran%C3%A7ais_en_1990 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectifications_orthographiques...
- version_five 5y ago
  Fair enough, I had interpreted you post as English / US centric, "why can't they just use our alphabet" but that was my mistake, sorry. FWIW, my wife (French) is a BÉPO enthusiast - my own french is not good enough to have an opinion but I just asked her (without any context) if she has any trouble with typeing accents, and she said "No, because I use a BÉPO keyboard".