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So I tuned in out of curiosity. I'm assuming these guys are biased in favor of the defense? They were just laughing at the fact that Rosenbaum is dead. Or do t

So I tuned in out of curiosity. I'm assuming these guys are biased in favor of the defense? They were just laughing at the fact that Rosenbaum is dead. Or do they just have a dark sense of humor or something?

xhevahir 5y ago
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- zthrowaway 5y ago
  Spooooky! Run away from the boogeyman.
- joenot443 5y ago
  It's probably worth doing more than just looking at video titles before you describe a complex topic as being "right-wing."
  - freejazz 5y ago
    Hasn't stopped anyone from assuming the worst about YouTube or "the media'
  - xhevahir 5y ago
    The topic may be complex, but there's no guarantee that any given channel on YouTube will do that topic justice. This channel's fulsome praise for James O'Keefe suggests to me that they will not.
    - joenot443 5y ago
      It's possible for a source to praise someone you disagree with without needing to dismiss that source entirely. Plenty of channels give fulsome praise to controversial figures like Shaun King or Rachel Maddow but that wouldn't stop me from hearing out what they have to say.
- Karsteski 5y ago
  And what if they video streams are right wing? What then?
  - PrincessJess 5y ago
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    - Karsteski 5y ago
      Sigh. Sometimes I wonder what it's like to have this incredibly narrow-minded worldview.
      - coffeecat 5y ago
        I assume the parent comment is sarcasm, but unfortunately, it's the internet and therefore Poe's law applies.
- _yoqn 5y ago
  Since when is Project Veritas "right-wing"? The guy legally documents people saying things and releases that info to the public.
  - Latty 5y ago
    They are financed by the right wing, and continuously release heavily edited and out of context versions of recordings to push a right-wing narrative. They have paid settlements and plead guilty for causing harm through their sting attempts and disinformation multiple times. Anyone taking Veritas seriously is not looking at their history, which makes it very clear that anything they release is untrustworthy at best. They are very clearly far-right political operatives, and in no way a neutral entity.
    - caseysoftware 5y ago
      > They have paid settlements and plead guilty for causing harm through their sting attempts and disinformation multiple times. I saw that they pled guilty to trespassing but have otherwise won all their completed defamation cases. Do you have a source/list of which cases they pled guilty to "misinformation" or similar?
      - Latty 5y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos_c... > In March 2013, O'Keefe settled the case with Vera, paying Vera $100,000. He tried to entrap someone for human smuggling. The guy immediately reported it to the police, but O'Keefe released edited footage anyway. > The video releases were heavily edited to feature only the worst or most inappropriate statements of the various ACORN employees and to omit some of the most salient statements by O'Keefe and Giles. Each of the ACORN employees recorded in California was a low level employee whose job was to help the needy individuals who walked in the door seeking assistance. Giles and O'Keefe lied to engender compassion, but then edited their statements from the released videos. O'Keefe pictured himself in stereotypical "pimp" clothes in the released footage, while actually wearing normal clothes at the time. The whole thing was clearly an attempt to extract something as damaging as possible and dress it up as an actual problem, regardless of the truth. Even if you agree with their politics, you'd be a fool to assume anyone willing to spin what they produce like that is going to produce "neutral" videos a third party can trust as a source when they have intentionally edited them misleadingly multiple times.
HideousKojima 5y ago
Rosenbaum was literally a convicted child rapist, multiple witnesses testified that he threatened to kill Kyle if he caught him alone, and he's on video shouting "SHOOT ME N***A" repeatedly. So most people aren't feeling much sympathy for the fact that he died.
- belltaco 5y ago
  We have a justice system if there are crimes like that. >So most people aren't feeling much sympathy for the fact that he died. The GP said they were laughing and celebrating it, that's quite different from 'aren't feeling much sympathy for someone dying'.
  - _yoqn 5y ago
    Some leftists literally threw parties to celebrate the fact that Rush Limbaugh died from lung cancer. Where was the outrage then? People who think someone is worthless will celebrate their death regardless of their criminal record.
    - belltaco 5y ago
      >Some leftists literally threw parties to celebrate the fact that Rush Limbaugh died from lung cancer. Source? >Where was the outrage then? You seemed to have been pretty outraged. The title says independent live stream while this thread makes it clear it's right wingers.
    - gerash 5y ago
      Idk but I wouldn't be surprised. Yet if a Livestream of people celebrating Limbaugh's death was also flagged/ brought down I wouldn't be outraged either.
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afpx 5y ago
I didn't even know who the guy was until today. So, I guess this is what I'm missing by not having television?
- LegitShady 5y ago
  it sounds like you avoid a lot of twitter too. good job! way healthier for you.
throwaway0a5e 5y ago
The prosecution kinda rushed to charge the kid before the lions share of the evidence was even collected. Of course a bunch of defense lawyers are gonna root against that.
screye 5y ago
I have followed them for the last couple of weeks, and there is a good reason for that. The prosecution has beyond ridiculous arguments time and again over the last 2 weeks. The lawyers all started out really civil, and some of the violations (especially the 5th amendment one that even got the Judge angry) began to make then exasperated. Combine that with the general silence of the defense, and by now they are all pretty angry at how much of a mess this is. A lot of ridiculous arguments were brought up by the jury about Rosenbaum, to the point that internal jokes have started emerging surrounding the death of Rosenbaum. Most serve to ridicule the prosecution, rather than Rosenbaum himself. Lastly, They you are in profession where every time you're in court, some has died. You develop a cruel sense of humor to cope. Very common for victims of abuse or military to have similar coping mechanisms. It seems bizarre from a civilian's POV, but that's just our privilege.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  Why does everything have to be a coping mechanism. Why can't they just be desensitized because they deal with it so much?
  - Eelongate 5y ago
    Isn't desensitization a coping mechanism? I understand these to be one and the same. Surgeons have "gallows humor" too, as do EMTs. People who see awful stuff a lot build up mental defenses to it, like joking about it. The effect, not being impacted by the stimuli like other people would be, is called desensitization. > Black comedy is common in professions and environments where workers routinely have to deal with dark subject matter. This includes police officers,[36] firefighters,[37] ambulance crews,[38] military personnel and funeral directors,[39] where it is an acknowledged coping mechanism. Outsiders can often react negatively to discovering this humor; as a result, there is an understanding within these professions that these jokes should not be shared with the wider public.[37][38] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_comedy#Nature_and_functions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_comedy#Nature_and_functi...
stefan_ 5y ago
It seems to be the literal definition of the peanut gallery. They keep shouting "object" like they are in the court room. You would think the kinda profession that puts "I'm not your lawyer" at the top of their blog post would know better than to run the equivalent of a Twitch react stream. If this is the grand future the grandparent had in mind, I want no part of it.
- LegitShady 5y ago
  they're yelling that in criticism of the defense lawyer richards, actually, not 'as if they were his lawyer'. This is the last day of this trial and criticism of his lack of objections has been a big part of their coverage over the last week+. It's allowed the prosecutor to enter a lot of evidence without anyone to qualify it or attest to it because the defense just didn't object, which matters in jury decision and would matter on an appeal. There are points of argument about the type of bullet (hollow point vs metal jacket), and edited video that should never have been considered given the person who made it showed they didn't understand the underlying change or ever compared it to the original video, etc.
- zthrowaway 5y ago
  I’ve learned a lot about the court system and how this entire process works. I feel like I know way more about the lawyer profession as well. They’ve provided a lot more than a simple peanut gallery. This is a great future. You get an inside peek into thoughts of lawyers in real time as a trial unfolds rather than getting it condensed down from a newspaper that may not give the real story. Pretty awesome.
zthrowaway 5y ago
If you haven’t watched the entire stream for the past 2 weeks you may be missing context here. Dark humor explains most of this.

xhevahir 5y ago

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zthrowaway 5y ago
Spooooky! Run away from the boogeyman.
joenot443 5y ago
It's probably worth doing more than just looking at video titles before you describe a complex topic as being "right-wing."
- freejazz 5y ago
  Hasn't stopped anyone from assuming the worst about YouTube or "the media'
- xhevahir 5y ago
  The topic may be complex, but there's no guarantee that any given channel on YouTube will do that topic justice. This channel's fulsome praise for James O'Keefe suggests to me that they will not.
  - joenot443 5y ago
    It's possible for a source to praise someone you disagree with without needing to dismiss that source entirely. Plenty of channels give fulsome praise to controversial figures like Shaun King or Rachel Maddow but that wouldn't stop me from hearing out what they have to say.
Karsteski 5y ago
And what if they video streams are right wing? What then?
- PrincessJess 5y ago
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  - Karsteski 5y ago
    Sigh. Sometimes I wonder what it's like to have this incredibly narrow-minded worldview.
    - coffeecat 5y ago
      I assume the parent comment is sarcasm, but unfortunately, it's the internet and therefore Poe's law applies.
_yoqn 5y ago
Since when is Project Veritas "right-wing"? The guy legally documents people saying things and releases that info to the public.
- Latty 5y ago
  They are financed by the right wing, and continuously release heavily edited and out of context versions of recordings to push a right-wing narrative. They have paid settlements and plead guilty for causing harm through their sting attempts and disinformation multiple times. Anyone taking Veritas seriously is not looking at their history, which makes it very clear that anything they release is untrustworthy at best. They are very clearly far-right political operatives, and in no way a neutral entity.
  - caseysoftware 5y ago
    > They have paid settlements and plead guilty for causing harm through their sting attempts and disinformation multiple times. I saw that they pled guilty to trespassing but have otherwise won all their completed defamation cases. Do you have a source/list of which cases they pled guilty to "misinformation" or similar?
    - Latty 5y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos_c... > In March 2013, O'Keefe settled the case with Vera, paying Vera $100,000. He tried to entrap someone for human smuggling. The guy immediately reported it to the police, but O'Keefe released edited footage anyway. > The video releases were heavily edited to feature only the worst or most inappropriate statements of the various ACORN employees and to omit some of the most salient statements by O'Keefe and Giles. Each of the ACORN employees recorded in California was a low level employee whose job was to help the needy individuals who walked in the door seeking assistance. Giles and O'Keefe lied to engender compassion, but then edited their statements from the released videos. O'Keefe pictured himself in stereotypical "pimp" clothes in the released footage, while actually wearing normal clothes at the time. The whole thing was clearly an attempt to extract something as damaging as possible and dress it up as an actual problem, regardless of the truth. Even if you agree with their politics, you'd be a fool to assume anyone willing to spin what they produce like that is going to produce "neutral" videos a third party can trust as a source when they have intentionally edited them misleadingly multiple times.

HideousKojima 5y ago

Rosenbaum was literally a convicted child rapist, multiple witnesses testified that he threatened to kill Kyle if he caught him alone, and he's on video shouting "SHOOT ME N***A" repeatedly. So most people aren't feeling much sympathy for the fact that he died.

belltaco 5y ago
We have a justice system if there are crimes like that. >So most people aren't feeling much sympathy for the fact that he died. The GP said they were laughing and celebrating it, that's quite different from 'aren't feeling much sympathy for someone dying'.
- _yoqn 5y ago
  Some leftists literally threw parties to celebrate the fact that Rush Limbaugh died from lung cancer. Where was the outrage then? People who think someone is worthless will celebrate their death regardless of their criminal record.
  - belltaco 5y ago
    >Some leftists literally threw parties to celebrate the fact that Rush Limbaugh died from lung cancer. Source? >Where was the outrage then? You seemed to have been pretty outraged. The title says independent live stream while this thread makes it clear it's right wingers.
  - gerash 5y ago
    Idk but I wouldn't be surprised. Yet if a Livestream of people celebrating Limbaugh's death was also flagged/ brought down I wouldn't be outraged either.
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afpx 5y ago

I didn't even know who the guy was until today. So, I guess this is what I'm missing by not having television?

LegitShady 5y ago
it sounds like you avoid a lot of twitter too. good job! way healthier for you.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

The prosecution kinda rushed to charge the kid before the lions share of the evidence was even collected. Of course a bunch of defense lawyers are gonna root against that.

screye 5y ago

I have followed them for the last couple of weeks, and there is a good reason for that. The prosecution has beyond ridiculous arguments time and again over the last 2 weeks. The lawyers all started out really civil, and some of the violations (especially the 5th amendment one that even got the Judge angry) began to make then exasperated. Combine that with the general silence of the defense, and by now they are all pretty angry at how much of a mess this is. A lot of ridiculous arguments were brought up by the jury about Rosenbaum, to the point that internal jokes have started emerging surrounding the death of Rosenbaum. Most serve to ridicule the prosecution, rather than Rosenbaum himself. Lastly, They you are in profession where every time you're in court, some has died. You develop a cruel sense of humor to cope. Very common for victims of abuse or military to have similar coping mechanisms. It seems bizarre from a civilian's POV, but that's just our privilege.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
Why does everything have to be a coping mechanism. Why can't they just be desensitized because they deal with it so much?
- Eelongate 5y ago
  Isn't desensitization a coping mechanism? I understand these to be one and the same. Surgeons have "gallows humor" too, as do EMTs. People who see awful stuff a lot build up mental defenses to it, like joking about it. The effect, not being impacted by the stimuli like other people would be, is called desensitization. > Black comedy is common in professions and environments where workers routinely have to deal with dark subject matter. This includes police officers,[36] firefighters,[37] ambulance crews,[38] military personnel and funeral directors,[39] where it is an acknowledged coping mechanism. Outsiders can often react negatively to discovering this humor; as a result, there is an understanding within these professions that these jokes should not be shared with the wider public.[37][38] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_comedy#Nature_and_functions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_comedy#Nature_and_functi...

stefan_ 5y ago

It seems to be the literal definition of the peanut gallery. They keep shouting "object" like they are in the court room. You would think the kinda profession that puts "I'm not your lawyer" at the top of their blog post would know better than to run the equivalent of a Twitch react stream. If this is the grand future the grandparent had in mind, I want no part of it.

LegitShady 5y ago
they're yelling that in criticism of the defense lawyer richards, actually, not 'as if they were his lawyer'. This is the last day of this trial and criticism of his lack of objections has been a big part of their coverage over the last week+. It's allowed the prosecutor to enter a lot of evidence without anyone to qualify it or attest to it because the defense just didn't object, which matters in jury decision and would matter on an appeal. There are points of argument about the type of bullet (hollow point vs metal jacket), and edited video that should never have been considered given the person who made it showed they didn't understand the underlying change or ever compared it to the original video, etc.
zthrowaway 5y ago
I’ve learned a lot about the court system and how this entire process works. I feel like I know way more about the lawyer profession as well. They’ve provided a lot more than a simple peanut gallery. This is a great future. You get an inside peek into thoughts of lawyers in real time as a trial unfolds rather than getting it condensed down from a newspaper that may not give the real story. Pretty awesome.

zthrowaway 5y ago

If you haven’t watched the entire stream for the past 2 weeks you may be missing context here. Dark humor explains most of this.