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It works. Show me an EV truck that comes anywhere close to what a Tacoma, Tundra or 4runner can do. Maybe they'll get there but there's gonna need to be some m

It works. Show me an EV truck that comes anywhere close to what a Tacoma, Tundra or 4runner can do. Maybe they'll get there but there's gonna need to be some massive advances in batteries to be able to go off-road and pull loads like any of those current trucks can.

culopatin 5y ago
I see them going to the store and back 99% of the time so a Leaf would do probably.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  That's not your decision to make. Maybe they only go out once a year and actually tow or go off road. It doesn't matter. If I'm going to spend $40k on a vehicle I get what I want. What I and a lot of people want is a vehicle that can do more than grocery store trips in some big urban center. If you're talking about a secondary vehicle I'm all in but a lot of people aren't able to afford a $40k+ secondary EV.
chrisseaton 5y ago
> Show me an EV truck that comes anywhere close to what a Tacoma, Tundra or 4runner can do. Weird examples - isn't EV actually uniquely well-suited to off-road and towing? Maximum torque at zero-revs? I can't wait to swap my Defender for a full electric variant when Land Rover manage to ship it - partly for the better capability.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  No it's not uniquely suited because the battery life is abysmal. The new Ford Lightning can only make it like 100 miles while towing before it needs to be recharged. Multiple tests with Teslas are the same. When they're loaded down their range is very bad.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    There's pluses and minus. For actual off-road capability it's mostly plus. If you're driving long-distance on a highway then yeah it's a minus... but that's not what trucks are for.
    - CountDrewku 5y ago
      How are they a plus for off-road? No offense but I don't think you understand what makes a good off-road vehicle. Trucks are absolutely used for long distance. Probably more so since they're the top choice for towing recreational vehicles cross country.
      - chrisseaton 5y ago
        > How are they a plus for off-road? Huge torque. Quiet operation. Independent and precise wheel control. Don't need to rev them up to get up a slope. > No offense but I don't think you understand what makes a good off-road vehicle. I'm a serving cavalry officer. I do this professionally. What's your qualification?
        CountDrewku 5y ago
        None of that matters if you don't have power.
        pertymcpert 5y ago
        What a cop-out. You were beaten and you know it.
        CountDrewku 5y ago
        Beaten? Do you think we're having some sort of pissing contest here? Go to Facebook if that's your goal. I stated from the beginning this issue is that the batteries cannot provide power long enough to sustain off-road trips or long distance towing. You'd know that if you actually read the comments instead of worrying about besting me. Why aren't you replacing all of the ICE vehicles right now? What happened is I pointed out the obvious EV flaw and you completed avoided it by discussing other irrelevant issues, like high torque. Try some hubris. Being in the military certainly doesn't negate ineptness these days.
- officeplant 5y ago
  Aside from the weight of batteries in a long distance EV setup, having 4+ wheels with their own independent motors allow EV offroaders an extreme advantage if someone made a purpose built EV 4x4 / 6x6.
- HeyLaughingBoy 5y ago
  That's an interesting question: 1st gear at idle in low range (4-Low) in a typical ICE vehicle is about a slow walking speed. I wonder how smooth the electric motor would be at that speed without additional gearing. Anyway, there's off road and there's off road. If you're a few hours from a road, EV can be useful at the low speeds you'll typically be driving at: If you are days from a charging source, not so much. Going on a long trip with an ICE vehicle, it's not a problem to carry a few cans of gas/diesel.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    > I wonder how smooth the electric motor would be at that speed without additional gearing. Have you seen the Bollinger trials? https://youtu.be/W7TK6WhU_l4?t=379 https://youtu.be/W7TK6WhU_l4?t=379 Militaries are also looking very keenly towards EV because it lets you crawl silently over ground, where in a diesel you need to rev it up and get some momentum going. > Anyway, there's off road and there's off road. Saying as someone who professionally operates genuinely off-road - I can't wait.
    - anakaine 5y ago
      As someone who was a professionally employed explorer for 10 years until a couple of years back, who drove very capable off road vehicles then and now, I cannot wait for a little bit of maturity in that market. Id love to be able to roll through some of those areas without having to roar a diesel. A motor on each wheel means no lockers. I'm mainly just concerned about undercarriage submersion at this point - I can put my current vehicle through 1m+ of still water comfortably. Can I do that with the new electric stuff? Also, range anxiety.
      - HeyLaughingBoy 5y ago
        > concerned about undercarriage submersion Portal axles, baby :-)
itisit 5y ago
The F-150 Lightning, R1T, and Cybertruck all offer a minimum towing capacity of 10,000 pounds. The price is higher and the range is lower than their petrol equivalents, but it is false to say these EV trucks are less capable in going off-road and pulling heavy loads.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  I'm specifically referring to the range. Stopping under 100 miles to recharge your vehicle isn't feasible for most people. Unless you're planning on forcing them to buy a $60k+ vehicle that's worse than what they currently have good luck.
Daishiman 5y ago
EVs will take over this role among the first things. Instant torque, no transmission, torque vectoring, no switching gears, no differential.
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culopatin 5y ago

I see them going to the store and back 99% of the time so a Leaf would do probably.

CountDrewku 5y ago
That's not your decision to make. Maybe they only go out once a year and actually tow or go off road. It doesn't matter. If I'm going to spend $40k on a vehicle I get what I want. What I and a lot of people want is a vehicle that can do more than grocery store trips in some big urban center. If you're talking about a secondary vehicle I'm all in but a lot of people aren't able to afford a $40k+ secondary EV.

chrisseaton 5y ago

> Show me an EV truck that comes anywhere close to what a Tacoma, Tundra or 4runner can do. Weird examples - isn't EV actually uniquely well-suited to off-road and towing? Maximum torque at zero-revs? I can't wait to swap my Defender for a full electric variant when Land Rover manage to ship it - partly for the better capability.

CountDrewku 5y ago
No it's not uniquely suited because the battery life is abysmal. The new Ford Lightning can only make it like 100 miles while towing before it needs to be recharged. Multiple tests with Teslas are the same. When they're loaded down their range is very bad.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  There's pluses and minus. For actual off-road capability it's mostly plus. If you're driving long-distance on a highway then yeah it's a minus... but that's not what trucks are for.
  - CountDrewku 5y ago
    How are they a plus for off-road? No offense but I don't think you understand what makes a good off-road vehicle. Trucks are absolutely used for long distance. Probably more so since they're the top choice for towing recreational vehicles cross country.
    - chrisseaton 5y ago
      > How are they a plus for off-road? Huge torque. Quiet operation. Independent and precise wheel control. Don't need to rev them up to get up a slope. > No offense but I don't think you understand what makes a good off-road vehicle. I'm a serving cavalry officer. I do this professionally. What's your qualification?
      - CountDrewku 5y ago
        None of that matters if you don't have power.
        pertymcpert 5y ago
        What a cop-out. You were beaten and you know it.
        CountDrewku 5y ago
        Beaten? Do you think we're having some sort of pissing contest here? Go to Facebook if that's your goal. I stated from the beginning this issue is that the batteries cannot provide power long enough to sustain off-road trips or long distance towing. You'd know that if you actually read the comments instead of worrying about besting me. Why aren't you replacing all of the ICE vehicles right now? What happened is I pointed out the obvious EV flaw and you completed avoided it by discussing other irrelevant issues, like high torque. Try some hubris. Being in the military certainly doesn't negate ineptness these days.
officeplant 5y ago
Aside from the weight of batteries in a long distance EV setup, having 4+ wheels with their own independent motors allow EV offroaders an extreme advantage if someone made a purpose built EV 4x4 / 6x6.
HeyLaughingBoy 5y ago
That's an interesting question: 1st gear at idle in low range (4-Low) in a typical ICE vehicle is about a slow walking speed. I wonder how smooth the electric motor would be at that speed without additional gearing. Anyway, there's off road and there's off road. If you're a few hours from a road, EV can be useful at the low speeds you'll typically be driving at: If you are days from a charging source, not so much. Going on a long trip with an ICE vehicle, it's not a problem to carry a few cans of gas/diesel.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  > I wonder how smooth the electric motor would be at that speed without additional gearing. Have you seen the Bollinger trials? https://youtu.be/W7TK6WhU_l4?t=379 https://youtu.be/W7TK6WhU_l4?t=379 Militaries are also looking very keenly towards EV because it lets you crawl silently over ground, where in a diesel you need to rev it up and get some momentum going. > Anyway, there's off road and there's off road. Saying as someone who professionally operates genuinely off-road - I can't wait.
  - anakaine 5y ago
    As someone who was a professionally employed explorer for 10 years until a couple of years back, who drove very capable off road vehicles then and now, I cannot wait for a little bit of maturity in that market. Id love to be able to roll through some of those areas without having to roar a diesel. A motor on each wheel means no lockers. I'm mainly just concerned about undercarriage submersion at this point - I can put my current vehicle through 1m+ of still water comfortably. Can I do that with the new electric stuff? Also, range anxiety.
    - HeyLaughingBoy 5y ago
      > concerned about undercarriage submersion Portal axles, baby :-)

itisit 5y ago

The F-150 Lightning, R1T, and Cybertruck all offer a minimum towing capacity of 10,000 pounds. The price is higher and the range is lower than their petrol equivalents, but it is false to say these EV trucks are less capable in going off-road and pulling heavy loads.

CountDrewku 5y ago
I'm specifically referring to the range. Stopping under 100 miles to recharge your vehicle isn't feasible for most people. Unless you're planning on forcing them to buy a $60k+ vehicle that's worse than what they currently have good luck.

Daishiman 5y ago

EVs will take over this role among the first things. Instant torque, no transmission, torque vectoring, no switching gears, no differential.

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