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If they fill the hospitals, you can't really opt out of them when you break a leg. Going unvaccinated wouldn't be a problem except that the unvaccinated and th

by Arnt 5y ago

If they fill the hospitals, you can't really opt out of them when you break a leg. Going unvaccinated wouldn't be a problem except that the unvaccinated and the vaccinated share the same insurance system and the same hospitals.

anovikov 5y ago
It's still a lot better than sharing the same gulag
- breakyerself 5y ago
  Sounds like a false dichotomy to me
NullPrefix 5y ago
That's sounds like something for the free market to solve.
- Arnt 5y ago
  Many countries have decided against that, because many of the big transactions involve a customer on a stretcher, in no shape to make an informed decision. Come to think of it, the times when you need a hospital are the times when you're not fit to shop around for options, or a fairly good approximation.
  - NullPrefix 5y ago
    Argument for "same insurance system" part still applies.
    - Arnt 5y ago
      That's true. Splitting or opting out of that leaves you with only one shared resource. Given that you still have that shared resource, is changing the other one worthwhile? I have no opinion on that.
- retrac 5y ago
  You expect the market to budget in a large surplus of ICU beds and anaesthesiologists on the off-chance we need lots of beds in a pandemic? Or are you suggesting bidding war for ICU beds?
ABoredBirb 5y ago
Exactly. And it only gets worse when the hospitals are at capacity with them and people start dying of preventable causes. Wax poetic about freedoms all you want, but public health is not the place for it.
- lovethyenemy 5y ago
  >Wax poetic about freedoms all you want, but public health is not the place for it. If people are not free to make poor health decisions, when are we going to lockdown Mcdonalds? >An overwhelming majority of people who have been hospitalized, needed a ventilator or died from Covid-19 have been overweight or obese, the CDC said https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-ro...
fol 5y ago
I find this to be a deeply flawed argument. Taking the "insurance system and hospitals" as the unchangeable axiom, to which all else must subordinate is either deliberate misdirection or just small thinking. I propose is precisely the insurance and medical systems that need reforming, and if the insane amounts of political effort and money were spent on improving the (DEEPLY flawed) medical systems instead of these flawed vaccine campaigns and coersive measures, I think we would all be in a much better place. (Except maybe for the insurance company / hospital execs)
landemva 5y ago
'share the same...' Classic socialist group think. Private property and economic incentives to start businesses, in say healthcare, can fix this. What about the third category of people who had it, recovered, and can prove it with tests and a Dr. letter? Calling me 'unvaccinated' overlooks the recovered aspect of disease.

by Arnt 5y ago

anovikov 5y ago

It's still a lot better than sharing the same gulag

breakyerself 5y ago
Sounds like a false dichotomy to me

NullPrefix 5y ago

That's sounds like something for the free market to solve.

Arnt 5y ago
Many countries have decided against that, because many of the big transactions involve a customer on a stretcher, in no shape to make an informed decision. Come to think of it, the times when you need a hospital are the times when you're not fit to shop around for options, or a fairly good approximation.
- NullPrefix 5y ago
  Argument for "same insurance system" part still applies.
  - Arnt 5y ago
    That's true. Splitting or opting out of that leaves you with only one shared resource. Given that you still have that shared resource, is changing the other one worthwhile? I have no opinion on that.
retrac 5y ago
You expect the market to budget in a large surplus of ICU beds and anaesthesiologists on the off-chance we need lots of beds in a pandemic? Or are you suggesting bidding war for ICU beds?

ABoredBirb 5y ago

Exactly. And it only gets worse when the hospitals are at capacity with them and people start dying of preventable causes. Wax poetic about freedoms all you want, but public health is not the place for it.

lovethyenemy 5y ago
>Wax poetic about freedoms all you want, but public health is not the place for it. If people are not free to make poor health decisions, when are we going to lockdown Mcdonalds? >An overwhelming majority of people who have been hospitalized, needed a ventilator or died from Covid-19 have been overweight or obese, the CDC said https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-ro...

fol 5y ago

I find this to be a deeply flawed argument. Taking the "insurance system and hospitals" as the unchangeable axiom, to which all else must subordinate is either deliberate misdirection or just small thinking. I propose is precisely the insurance and medical systems that need reforming, and if the insane amounts of political effort and money were spent on improving the (DEEPLY flawed) medical systems instead of these flawed vaccine campaigns and coersive measures, I think we would all be in a much better place. (Except maybe for the insurance company / hospital execs)

landemva 5y ago

'share the same...' Classic socialist group think. Private property and economic incentives to start businesses, in say healthcare, can fix this. What about the third category of people who had it, recovered, and can prove it with tests and a Dr. letter? Calling me 'unvaccinated' overlooks the recovered aspect of disease.