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> Just imagine what would happen if Russian or Chinese military lawyers or journalists tried to do something similar. There doesn't seem to be English language

by adolph 5y ago

> Just imagine what would happen if Russian or Chinese military lawyers or journalists tried to do something similar. There doesn't seem to be English language publication to establish if similar internal criticism occurs in other countries or not. For all we know Daesh PR did a through analysis of burning Jordanian pilots alive in cages [0] and found it unhelpful to their cause. Given that any large enough human organization has internal conflict it would stand to reason that similar internal criticism occurs. It's not as if US whistleblowers live carefree lives. The NYT associates Mr. Tate's job loss with criticism of the US' internal response to the bombing. Mr. Tate, a former Navy officer who had worked for years as a civilian analyst with the Defense Intelligence Agency and the National Counterterrorism Center before moving to the inspector general’s office, said he criticized the lack of action and was eventually forced out of his job. 0. https://www.albawaba.com/development-iraq/breaking-daesh-burns-jordanian-pilot-death-652292 https://www.albawaba.com/development-iraq/breaking-daesh-bur...

dragontamer 5y ago
> For all we know Daesh PR did a through analysis of burning Jordanian pilots alive in cages [0] and found it unhelpful to their cause. I mean... ISIS-K / Daesh is still murdering people in Afghanistan, even after we've left. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/08/world/asia/afghanistan-mosque-attack.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/08/world/asia/afghanistan-mo... Considering that the Daesh / ISIS-K organization is so freakishly violent that they're attacking the _TALIBAN_ for being too moderate, gives you everything you need to know about that group. For better or worse, ISIS-K is the Taliban's problem for now. But I do worry that the Taliban are going to be toppled by ISIS-K, and once ISIS-K is in power they'll use Afghanistan as a training center to launch international attacks from. Or Syria, or Iraq. ISIS-K has strength in a fair number of regions. They clearly don't care "which" land they get, they just want some land / safe havens to train up and grow in strength. ------ Brutally killing civilians is their modus operandi. USA hides it when we do it because we're at least embarrassed about it and nominally against that sort of thing.. Unfortunately, we have more important things to worry about and prepare for.
- yardie 5y ago
  > USA hides it when we do it because we're at least embarrassed about it Who's embarrassed by it and who's hiding it? The civilian Afghans killed by ISIS- K are terrified because that is the point. The civilian Afghans killed by Americans are still terrified because they are largely irrelevant to Americans. Which is its own point. These deaths aren't being hidden from Afghans by Afghan media. They are being ignored by US media. The killings are chocked up as "accidents" and the machine moves on.
1123581321 5y ago
Political science studies in English-speaking universities would uncover this. There isn't the same opportunity for public-exposed internal investigations in countries where media and whistleblowing is less free. Whistleblowing does not have to be safe in the US to still be more dangerous in another country.

by adolph 5y ago

dragontamer 5y ago

> For all we know Daesh PR did a through analysis of burning Jordanian pilots alive in cages [0] and found it unhelpful to their cause. I mean... ISIS-K / Daesh is still murdering people in Afghanistan, even after we've left. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/08/world/asia/afghanistan-mosque-attack.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/08/world/asia/afghanistan-mo... Considering that the Daesh / ISIS-K organization is so freakishly violent that they're attacking the _TALIBAN_ for being too moderate, gives you everything you need to know about that group. For better or worse, ISIS-K is the Taliban's problem for now. But I do worry that the Taliban are going to be toppled by ISIS-K, and once ISIS-K is in power they'll use Afghanistan as a training center to launch international attacks from. Or Syria, or Iraq. ISIS-K has strength in a fair number of regions. They clearly don't care "which" land they get, they just want some land / safe havens to train up and grow in strength. ------ Brutally killing civilians is their modus operandi. USA hides it when we do it because we're at least embarrassed about it and nominally against that sort of thing.. Unfortunately, we have more important things to worry about and prepare for.

yardie 5y ago
> USA hides it when we do it because we're at least embarrassed about it Who's embarrassed by it and who's hiding it? The civilian Afghans killed by ISIS- K are terrified because that is the point. The civilian Afghans killed by Americans are still terrified because they are largely irrelevant to Americans. Which is its own point. These deaths aren't being hidden from Afghans by Afghan media. They are being ignored by US media. The killings are chocked up as "accidents" and the machine moves on.

1123581321 5y ago

Political science studies in English-speaking universities would uncover this. There isn't the same opportunity for public-exposed internal investigations in countries where media and whistleblowing is less free. Whistleblowing does not have to be safe in the US to still be more dangerous in another country.