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> Loads of people become nurses and teachers because they want to help people, even though they don't get paid much I know it's not the primary point of the po
by thawSeh6s2p 5y ago
> Loads of people become nurses and teachers because they want to help people, even though they don't get paid much
I know it's not the primary point of the post, but define "much". An RN makes around 80k on average, they're also hourly and can generally pick up overtime whenever they want. Nurse anesthetists make double that at minimum, practitioners are north of 120k. It may not be as much as a FAANG position but I'd consider that decent pay, especially for such a stable position with decent WLB(omitting pandemic). Up until the past few years RN only required a 2 year degree.
Teachers don't make as much, but average pay in my lower cost of living area, just crossed 60k. That's not terrible, especially considering they only work 9/12 months and can get more for summer school or many of them find side jobs.
- chillacy 5y agoFAANG senior engineers get in around 350-400k and with recent stock appreciation some are hitting 400-600 depending on tenure and company performance. Source: levels.fyi
- ghaff 5y agoWhich is an exceptional level relative to just about everyone except execs at larger public companies. It's by no means remotely normal.
- chillacy 5y agoOh totally, but GP never said the words "normal", only "much" > they don't get paid much which is how I suppose we're on the topic of arguing the semantics of "much". I think GP should have said "as much" to clarify, since this is a comparison between two specific jobs.
- bradleyjg 5y agoIt’s certainly very good. But many physician specialties are in the same ballpark. Unlike executives at public companies they are a non-trivial size population. There’s also white shoe lawyers, investment bankers, and management consultants but not as many as the doctors AFAIK.
- lordnacho 5y agoThe US healthcare system is a bit special. I tend to think about Europe, since I'm from there. Nurses don't make nearly as much from what I gather.
- lovich 5y agoI thought teachers spent much of the summer break maintaining certifications and incorporating new school regulations into their lesson plans for the next year. I don’t think it’s a 3 month break for them
- rhexs 5y agoMost teachers absolutely do get a 3 month break. They’ll have a few workshops at most.
- samplatt 5y agoPeople in here seem to be using "most" to mean "people I know personally". To add another data point, every teacher I know uses at least a third of their "break" for lesson planning. Usually more.
- mellavora 5y agomy sister was a teacher for 20-odd years, then she went through a Ph.D. program in education theory, and now teaches teachers. So below is not based on "knowing one or two teachers", but on knowing how teachers are trained/certified and what professional standards are. Most teachers work hard over the summer, it isn't a break. Pay isn't great. And a certain mainstream political group puts significant effort into demonizing the profession and destroying the pay/benefits packages... which matters, because in public schools, the politicians hold the purse strings.
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- short12 5y ago> many of them find side jobs This might just be a Midwest thing but those sidejobs typically involve something drinking related
- Jap2-0 5y ago> considering they only work 9/12 months I think many teachers (almost all that I know, and all of the good ones) would disagree with you on that. Lesson planning, training/continuing education, scheduling, etc. > many of them find side jobs ..why? That is to say, I'm sure most people on here could get a side job if they wanted to. Is there a reason why teachers get side jobs and, say, programmers don't? (Yes, that's a rhetorical question.)
- ldehaan 5y agoProgrammers get side jobs all the time. That's usually how you start your own business in my experience. People who work with people do it because that's what drives them and they find fulfillment in that job.
- edgyquant 5y agoProbably not the side jobs most here have in mind but after almost 2 years of remote I’ve been seriously contemplating getting a night job at a bar or restaurant just to meet folks and the little bit of money (relative to my salary and equity) would just be a bonus.
- fortran77 5y agoSchoolteacher pensions in CA are worth millions, and they’re not taxed on the imputed value of this wealth. Also in CA they qualify for BMR housing, another untaxed benefit. And in CA they don’t pay SS tax.
- zrail 5y ago> they don't pay SS tax This isn't really a benefit. Public employees with access to a state pension generally don't pay into SS because their state pension is is lieu of social security. They pay into the pension instead and have to hope it exists in the future, which for many states is significantly riskier than relying on federal social security.
- propogandist 5y agothere are nurses pulling in $200/hr locally (travel nurses usually). Due to shortages, some hospitals are allowing 6 days of work (typically 12 hr shifts) and nurses are making ridiculous amount of money, if they can manage it mentally and physically.