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No, the goal is to reduce load on the healthcare system. It's well known that the Covid vaccines keep people out of hospital. There's no reason that people shou

No, the goal is to reduce load on the healthcare system. It's well known that the Covid vaccines keep people out of hospital. There's no reason that people should interfere with other people receiving urgently needed medical treatment.

ssivark 5y ago
How about simply turning away the unvaccinated from hospitals for Covid care? Is that less or more humane than holding them under house arrest? PS: I think arguments justifying such mandates for avoiding overwhelming of hospitals will further enrage anyone who was already against universal healthcare because it becomes yet another avenue for govt/bureaucratic manipulation of people's lives.
- HarryHirsch 5y ago
  That's a political impossibility. Besides - whom to reprioritize? Pick the sickest person, the latest arrival, or what? There was a case not too long ago in Alabama where a person suffered a heart attack and died because in three dozen hospitals no intensive care bed could be found, so the concern isn't even theoretical.
- caeril 5y ago
  In the US, that would result in severe disparate impact on non-Asian minorities, because Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans are currently the least-vaccinated groups. Not really politically viable until these numbers equalize.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  It isn't universal healthcare if you exclude anyone for any reason. It still can be public healthcare with alternatives for private insurance schemes. It would be most unwise to kill universal healthcare because of the threat or costs Covid poses.
  - angelzen 5y ago
    Like many things in life, absolute universal healthcare is impossible. At limit it implies life without death and youth without aging. The utopian ideal must contend with the reality that resources are finite and accept tradeoffs.
    - raxxorrax 5y ago
      You have set boundaries for the quality of healthcare, but it isn't utopian to not set any conditions for eligibility of health care. That are two different topics.
josephcsible 5y ago
In that case, why not just say that unvaccinated people at the hospital because they have COVID will be deprioritized, and dispense with all of the other mandates and stuff with the vaccine?
fithisux 5y ago
You jump to random conclusions and "knowingly??" do not outline the whole picture. What is the estimate of the authoritarian rules of increasing mortality? E.g. by a war? By racial cleaning, by collapse of social structures? You spread half information and consequently fake. The legislation is there for a reason and you throw it away. You just took a decision for the uncaccinated people by eliminating their freedom. They never did it to you.
IdontRememberIt 5y ago
In France, during the whole year 2020, people were told that the hospital infrastructure was overloaded because of COVID. Actually, the final report shows that COVID patients represented 2% (!!!) of the total hospitalized... And only 5% (!?!?) of what they call "critical care"... This report from the ATIH (Official agency) was published in october 2021. The report: https://www.atih.sante.fr/sites/default/files/public/content/4144/aah_2020_analyse_covid.pdf https://www.atih.sante.fr/sites/default/files/public/content... From LCP (a kind of French C-SPAN): https://twitter.com/LCP/status/1458163736175386624 https://twitter.com/LCP/status/1458163736175386624

ssivark 5y ago

How about simply turning away the unvaccinated from hospitals for Covid care? Is that less or more humane than holding them under house arrest? PS: I think arguments justifying such mandates for avoiding overwhelming of hospitals will further enrage anyone who was already against universal healthcare because it becomes yet another avenue for govt/bureaucratic manipulation of people's lives.

HarryHirsch 5y ago
That's a political impossibility. Besides - whom to reprioritize? Pick the sickest person, the latest arrival, or what? There was a case not too long ago in Alabama where a person suffered a heart attack and died because in three dozen hospitals no intensive care bed could be found, so the concern isn't even theoretical.
caeril 5y ago
In the US, that would result in severe disparate impact on non-Asian minorities, because Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans are currently the least-vaccinated groups. Not really politically viable until these numbers equalize.
raxxorrax 5y ago
It isn't universal healthcare if you exclude anyone for any reason. It still can be public healthcare with alternatives for private insurance schemes. It would be most unwise to kill universal healthcare because of the threat or costs Covid poses.
- angelzen 5y ago
  Like many things in life, absolute universal healthcare is impossible. At limit it implies life without death and youth without aging. The utopian ideal must contend with the reality that resources are finite and accept tradeoffs.
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    You have set boundaries for the quality of healthcare, but it isn't utopian to not set any conditions for eligibility of health care. That are two different topics.

josephcsible 5y ago

In that case, why not just say that unvaccinated people at the hospital because they have COVID will be deprioritized, and dispense with all of the other mandates and stuff with the vaccine?

fithisux 5y ago

You jump to random conclusions and "knowingly??" do not outline the whole picture. What is the estimate of the authoritarian rules of increasing mortality? E.g. by a war? By racial cleaning, by collapse of social structures? You spread half information and consequently fake. The legislation is there for a reason and you throw it away. You just took a decision for the uncaccinated people by eliminating their freedom. They never did it to you.

IdontRememberIt 5y ago

In France, during the whole year 2020, people were told that the hospital infrastructure was overloaded because of COVID. Actually, the final report shows that COVID patients represented 2% (!!!) of the total hospitalized... And only 5% (!?!?) of what they call "critical care"... This report from the ATIH (Official agency) was published in october 2021. The report: https://www.atih.sante.fr/sites/default/files/public/content/4144/aah_2020_analyse_covid.pdf https://www.atih.sante.fr/sites/default/files/public/content... From LCP (a kind of French C-SPAN): https://twitter.com/LCP/status/1458163736175386624 https://twitter.com/LCP/status/1458163736175386624