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It will make a few very rich without returning any tangible value to consumers.

ramesh31 5y ago
All this hustling and bustling about doing something big to help people out, and we ended up with a highway bill that includes some telecom pork. The Democrats are DOA at midterms after this.
- unclebucknasty 5y ago
  You and GP might prove to be right, but let's give it like 15 minutes or so before declaring it dead.
- bryanlarsen 5y ago
  This is just the bill that some Republicans could get on board with. The Build Back Better bill that actually helps people is supposedly going to be voted on in the house tomorrow, and then it has to get through the Senate.
- smt88 5y ago
  There are other massive bills in the pipeline and also next year's legislative session. Democrats are DOA at midterms, but it will likely be due to the normal pendulum of politics (backlash against party in power) and unfavorable demographic shifts.
  - jonny_eh 5y ago
    And even more extreme gerrymandering by GOP controlled state legislatures.
    - _-david-_ 5y ago
      There is extreme gerrymandering on both sides. When the Democratic party wins they gerrymander as much as the Republicans.
      - smt88 5y ago
        > When the Democratic party wins they gerrymander as much as the Republicans. Absolutely false. Democrats do it far less, in fewer places, and with much less effect on outcomes. Please don't "both sides" this issue. In fact, Democrats changed laws to try to end gerrymandering in three states they won: Oregon, Virginia, and Colorado[1]. They did this against their own self-interest and likely ended up helping Republicans[2]. Multiple independent, transparent measures of extreme gerrymandering have found that Republicans do it more[3]. Republicans have also been found by courts to be using racial gerrymandering to dilute the votes of minorities over[4] and over[5]. That shouldn't be surprising, because we now know that racial gerrymandering was an explicit tactic that Republicans illegally pursued[6]. 1. https://apnews.com/article/redistricting-579984fa53d997956749eb3d3820276b https://apnews.com/article/redistricting-579984fa53d99795674... 2. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/10/democrats-redistricting-gerrymandering-majority-midterms/620403/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/10/democra... 3. https://election.princeton.edu/2012/12/30/gerrymanders-part-1-busting-the-both-sides-do-it-myth/ https://election.princeton.edu/2012/12/30/gerrymanders-part-... 4. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-gerrymandering/virginia-republicans-lose-in-u-s-supreme-court-racial-gerrymandering-case-idUSKCN1TI1TN https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-gerrymandering/... 5. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-carolina-gerrymandering/527592/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-c... 6. https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-files-of-the-master-of-modern-republican-gerrymandering https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-files-of...
cinntaile 5y ago
This sounds like the US in a nutshell to an outsider like me?
- kadoban 5y ago
  One political party in the US is ideologically wed to the idea that government, _any_ government, cannot accomplish anything. That would be a big reason way you hear so much of that point of view. This bill will lead to a bunch of rural internet being a lot less crappy. Will it be perfect? No. Will it be better than it was? Yes.
  - tehbeard 5y ago
    > This bill will lead to a bunch of rural internet being a lot less crappy. I was under the impression the US had tried similar before... and Comcast et. al. just pocketed the money and bumped their prices up some more.
    - kadoban 5y ago
      Without reading the entire bill, these appear to be accepting bids to do ~well defined work.
Guessnotgauss 5y ago
Probabaly just like they did last time . https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/6c5e97/eli5_how_were_isps_able_to_pocket_the_200_billion/ https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/6c5e97/e... One thing we have to face as a populous, is how to establish justice when it involves big companies and millions of people.

All this hustling and bustling about doing something big to help people out, and we ended up with a highway bill that includes some telecom pork. The Democrats are DOA at midterms after this.

unclebucknasty 5y ago
You and GP might prove to be right, but let's give it like 15 minutes or so before declaring it dead.
bryanlarsen 5y ago
This is just the bill that some Republicans could get on board with. The Build Back Better bill that actually helps people is supposedly going to be voted on in the house tomorrow, and then it has to get through the Senate.
smt88 5y ago
There are other massive bills in the pipeline and also next year's legislative session. Democrats are DOA at midterms, but it will likely be due to the normal pendulum of politics (backlash against party in power) and unfavorable demographic shifts.
- jonny_eh 5y ago
  And even more extreme gerrymandering by GOP controlled state legislatures.
  - _-david-_ 5y ago
    There is extreme gerrymandering on both sides. When the Democratic party wins they gerrymander as much as the Republicans.
    - smt88 5y ago
      > When the Democratic party wins they gerrymander as much as the Republicans. Absolutely false. Democrats do it far less, in fewer places, and with much less effect on outcomes. Please don't "both sides" this issue. In fact, Democrats changed laws to try to end gerrymandering in three states they won: Oregon, Virginia, and Colorado[1]. They did this against their own self-interest and likely ended up helping Republicans[2]. Multiple independent, transparent measures of extreme gerrymandering have found that Republicans do it more[3]. Republicans have also been found by courts to be using racial gerrymandering to dilute the votes of minorities over[4] and over[5]. That shouldn't be surprising, because we now know that racial gerrymandering was an explicit tactic that Republicans illegally pursued[6]. 1. https://apnews.com/article/redistricting-579984fa53d997956749eb3d3820276b https://apnews.com/article/redistricting-579984fa53d99795674... 2. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/10/democrats-redistricting-gerrymandering-majority-midterms/620403/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/10/democra... 3. https://election.princeton.edu/2012/12/30/gerrymanders-part-1-busting-the-both-sides-do-it-myth/ https://election.princeton.edu/2012/12/30/gerrymanders-part-... 4. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-gerrymandering/virginia-republicans-lose-in-u-s-supreme-court-racial-gerrymandering-case-idUSKCN1TI1TN https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-gerrymandering/... 5. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-carolina-gerrymandering/527592/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/north-c... 6. https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-files-of-the-master-of-modern-republican-gerrymandering https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-files-of...

cinntaile 5y ago

This sounds like the US in a nutshell to an outsider like me?

kadoban 5y ago
One political party in the US is ideologically wed to the idea that government, _any_ government, cannot accomplish anything. That would be a big reason way you hear so much of that point of view. This bill will lead to a bunch of rural internet being a lot less crappy. Will it be perfect? No. Will it be better than it was? Yes.
- tehbeard 5y ago
  > This bill will lead to a bunch of rural internet being a lot less crappy. I was under the impression the US had tried similar before... and Comcast et. al. just pocketed the money and bumped their prices up some more.
  - kadoban 5y ago
    Without reading the entire bill, these appear to be accepting bids to do ~well defined work.

Guessnotgauss 5y ago

Probabaly just like they did last time . https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/6c5e97/eli5_how_were_isps_able_to_pocket_the_200_billion/ https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/6c5e97/e... One thing we have to face as a populous, is how to establish justice when it involves big companies and millions of people.