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How's this different than googling for a Lenovo laptop and seeing ads for Lenovo's website versus Amazon?

by mymllnthaccount 5y ago

howinteresting 5y ago
Amazon doesn't get recurring revenue from selling Lenovo laptops.
- mcphage 5y ago
  Lenovo doesn’t get recurring revenue from selling Lenovo laptops, either.
  - echelon 5y ago
    Oh, but Apple sure does! They get their 30% subscription fee. And they get to control the customer relationship. App publishers have a really shitty deal here. Mobile computing would be so much better for competition if this had become a Microsoft / Google duopoly rather than have Steve Jobs with his perverse app store model. We'd have web downloadable apps and a better mobile web. We now have a cartel for 50+% of American consumers. The cartel is so greedy that it's now placing ads to confuse and ensnare consumers even more.
paulryanrogers 5y ago
There is a third party taking a large commission for the sale and any recurring service. It's like if Amazon put out ads for Lenovo but bundling a protection plan and taking a referer cut.
- judge2020 5y ago
  Are you unaware of Amazon's cut of purchases? Lenovo also uses FBA so Amazon makes even more from those sales.
mleo 5y ago
This more akin to Booking.com placing ads for hotels in an area. The hotel gets revenue and Booking.com gets commission, and sometime advertising recovery fees on top. Developers of apps should be allowed to opt out of this, or really should be an opt in feature.
treis 5y ago
Lenovo doesn't have to sell through Amazon while HBO, Netflix, et. al. are forced to sell through Apple.
- rkk3 5y ago
  > Lenovo doesn't have to sell through Amazon while HBO, Netflix, et. al. are forced to sell through Apple. Except they aren't forced to sell through Apple, Netflix doesn't allow in app-purchases for this very reason.
  - echelon 5y ago
    If a customer finds HBO through Apple's ad, they'll be paying for the subscription via Apple. Apple gets a 30% cut. Apple did this all on their own, without telling app publishers. They're deliberately trying to get their 30% tax and shut out app creators. This is nefarious. Apple is cutting the legs out from the very apps that bring value to its users. This could be the basis of an antitrust case against Apple.
    - rkk3 5y ago
      They aren't forced to use Apple as a distribution channel, just like Lenovo could also not sell computers on Amazon or at BestBuy and they probably make a higher margin when they sell D2C as well. It's a cold blooded move by Apple, but I don't think its "nefarious". I'm very much against their rent seeking with the app store though.
mdoms 5y ago
Does Amazon take a 30% cut of every transaction made on that laptop in perpetuity?

How's this different than googling for a Lenovo laptop and seeing ads for Lenovo's website versus Amazon?

howinteresting 5y ago

Amazon doesn't get recurring revenue from selling Lenovo laptops.

mcphage 5y ago
Lenovo doesn’t get recurring revenue from selling Lenovo laptops, either.
- echelon 5y ago
  Oh, but Apple sure does! They get their 30% subscription fee. And they get to control the customer relationship. App publishers have a really shitty deal here. Mobile computing would be so much better for competition if this had become a Microsoft / Google duopoly rather than have Steve Jobs with his perverse app store model. We'd have web downloadable apps and a better mobile web. We now have a cartel for 50+% of American consumers. The cartel is so greedy that it's now placing ads to confuse and ensnare consumers even more.

paulryanrogers 5y ago

There is a third party taking a large commission for the sale and any recurring service. It's like if Amazon put out ads for Lenovo but bundling a protection plan and taking a referer cut.

judge2020 5y ago
Are you unaware of Amazon's cut of purchases? Lenovo also uses FBA so Amazon makes even more from those sales.

mleo 5y ago

This more akin to Booking.com placing ads for hotels in an area. The hotel gets revenue and Booking.com gets commission, and sometime advertising recovery fees on top. Developers of apps should be allowed to opt out of this, or really should be an opt in feature.

treis 5y ago

Lenovo doesn't have to sell through Amazon while HBO, Netflix, et. al. are forced to sell through Apple.

rkk3 5y ago
> Lenovo doesn't have to sell through Amazon while HBO, Netflix, et. al. are forced to sell through Apple. Except they aren't forced to sell through Apple, Netflix doesn't allow in app-purchases for this very reason.
- echelon 5y ago
  If a customer finds HBO through Apple's ad, they'll be paying for the subscription via Apple. Apple gets a 30% cut. Apple did this all on their own, without telling app publishers. They're deliberately trying to get their 30% tax and shut out app creators. This is nefarious. Apple is cutting the legs out from the very apps that bring value to its users. This could be the basis of an antitrust case against Apple.
  - rkk3 5y ago
    They aren't forced to use Apple as a distribution channel, just like Lenovo could also not sell computers on Amazon or at BestBuy and they probably make a higher margin when they sell D2C as well. It's a cold blooded move by Apple, but I don't think its "nefarious". I'm very much against their rent seeking with the app store though.

mdoms 5y ago

Does Amazon take a 30% cut of every transaction made on that laptop in perpetuity?