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At these scales, that's unfortunately not what matters in comparison. What needs to be compared is "expected negative effects from the vaccine to children" to
by margalabargala 5y ago
At these scales, that's unfortunately not what matters in comparison.
What needs to be compared is "expected negative effects from the vaccine to children" to "expected negative effects from Covid to children as well as everyone they are likely to infect".
Kids don't die from covid often, but they sure spread it all over to people who do.
- 323 5y agoBut in that case they should also say "as a young person you need to get this vaccine mostly to protect others". Which is exactly what JCVI said: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/jcvi-issues-updated-advice-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15 https://www.gov.uk/government/news/jcvi-issues-updated-advic...
- belter 5y agoFunny that is never phrased like that, but always as in, a risk to the children themselves as you can see from this: "Dr. Fauci answers questions about children and COVID-19 vaccines" https://www.npr.org/2021/10/27/1049546323/dr-fauci-answers-questions-about-children-and-covid-19-vaccines https://www.npr.org/2021/10/27/1049546323/dr-fauci-answers-q...
- margalabargala 5y agoThere's plenty of different arguments that make different points to support the same conclusion. Above, you compared "risk of death" to "risk of myocarditis" and noticed the latter is higher. But Dr. Fauci is comparing "risk of death and other non-fatal negative effects from covid" to "risk of myocarditis and other negative effects from vaccination", and that tips the scales the other way.
- nradov 5y agoEven vaccinated kids spread the virus. I encourage everyone eligible to get vaccinated, but it has only a limited and temporary effect on reducing transmission. The primary benefit is in reducing severe symptoms. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu... https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...
- margalabargala 5y agoVaccinated kids spread the virus only if they are infected. A vaccinated person is less likely to become infected at all, so even if vaccination did not reduce transmission in infected people, it would still reduce transmission in the whole population because fewer people were infected.
- xboxnolifes 5y agoI was under the impression that data suggests the the vaccinated still spread covid. In such case, does this logic not fall through?
- ceejayoz 5y agoThe data suggests the vaccinated are less likely to spread COVID, for a period of time. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-l... > A recent study found that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant are 63 per cent less likely to infect people who are unvaccinated. > What is important to realise, de Gier says, is that the full effect of vaccines on reducing transmission is even higher than 63 per cent, because most vaccinated people don’t become infected in the first place. It's not perfect, but it's not nothing either.
- margalabargala 5y agoNo, for two reasons: 1) This would be true only if the magnitude of spreading was equal. But the data suggests that the vaccinated spread covid less than unvaccinated, especially soon after vaccination. 2) Even if an infected vaccinated person spread the disease an equal amount as an unvaccinated person, they are less likely to be infected at all, thus resulting in a reduction in total disease spread.