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But youtube isn't removing the button or the signal from their algorithms - they are just removing the optics of having a disliked video (which a lot of users i

by jjcon 5y ago

But youtube isn't removing the button or the signal from their algorithms - they are just removing the optics of having a disliked video (which a lot of users including myself found useful)

gremloni 5y ago
Like I mentioned somewhere else, for recommended videos I see two binary paradigms - videos with >95% like ratios - political videos that have obviously been brigaded Assuming most normies don’t have great engagement rates with the like/dislike button based on view count, this change is doing the vast majority a service.
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- hulahoof 5y ago
  If it is easy to believe some videos get a natural >95% rating; isn't it just as likely some content would evoke a <5% rating without 'brigading'? I am not saying that this doesn't sometimes occur, but I also don't believe it's the only case.
  - mikeyjk 5y ago
    Agreed, people made the same argument for removing 5 star ratings from Netflix ('people only ever vote 1 star or 5 stars'). If this were an input for the decision making, these platforms could very easily present that evidence. I do miss the Netflix of years gone past.
decremental 5y ago
Because the channels they want to protect are politically aligned with YouTube.
- gremloni 5y ago
  It’s a business decision. Based on view count vs like/dislike ratio a lot of these videos are obviously brigaded. Most people aren’t engaged enough to represent themselves in the like/dislike ratio. It doesn’t make sense to bury them for the vast majority.
  - Lhiw 5y ago
    What if they are? Why is this a bad thing exactly? Smells a lot like democracy and a platform worth of people telling the creator they aren't welcome. Maybe YouTube doesn't like that but that doesn't make them right. Sometimes the users are right, it's their platform to. Going against them just drives them away further. With the hostile actions of YouTube over the last couple of years YouTube is asking for disruption.
  - Mountain_Skies 5y ago
    >Based on view count vs like/dislike ratio a lot of these videos are obviously brigaded. That's your belief but you have no evidence to prove this. And even if true, why does the entirety of content of YouTube need to be punished for the undesired behavioral patterns that YouTube has cultivated on controversial videos they've pushed on everyone?
    - gremloni 5y ago
      View count vs like/dislike ratio is an incredible accurate metric for my point.
      - educaysean 5y ago
        Can you please elaborate? You have a way to compare a raw metric (counts) against a ratio (like vs. dislike) that yields useful insights as to whether the like vs. dislike ratio was the product of brigading?
        mikeyjk 5y ago
loudtieblahblah 5y ago
This is to kiss the ass of big corporate creators and protect their brand when it becomes unpopular
- mikeyjk 5y ago
  This, imo. Netflix did the exact same thing.
rvba 5y ago
How can you know?

by jjcon 5y ago

But youtube isn't removing the button or the signal from their algorithms - they are just removing the optics of having a disliked video (which a lot of users including myself found useful)

gremloni 5y ago

Like I mentioned somewhere else, for recommended videos I see two binary paradigms - videos with >95% like ratios - political videos that have obviously been brigaded Assuming most normies don’t have great engagement rates with the like/dislike button based on view count, this change is doing the vast majority a service.

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hulahoof 5y ago
If it is easy to believe some videos get a natural >95% rating; isn't it just as likely some content would evoke a <5% rating without 'brigading'? I am not saying that this doesn't sometimes occur, but I also don't believe it's the only case.
- mikeyjk 5y ago
  Agreed, people made the same argument for removing 5 star ratings from Netflix ('people only ever vote 1 star or 5 stars'). If this were an input for the decision making, these platforms could very easily present that evidence. I do miss the Netflix of years gone past.

decremental 5y ago

Because the channels they want to protect are politically aligned with YouTube.

gremloni 5y ago
It’s a business decision. Based on view count vs like/dislike ratio a lot of these videos are obviously brigaded. Most people aren’t engaged enough to represent themselves in the like/dislike ratio. It doesn’t make sense to bury them for the vast majority.
- Lhiw 5y ago
  What if they are? Why is this a bad thing exactly? Smells a lot like democracy and a platform worth of people telling the creator they aren't welcome. Maybe YouTube doesn't like that but that doesn't make them right. Sometimes the users are right, it's their platform to. Going against them just drives them away further. With the hostile actions of YouTube over the last couple of years YouTube is asking for disruption.
- Mountain_Skies 5y ago
  >Based on view count vs like/dislike ratio a lot of these videos are obviously brigaded. That's your belief but you have no evidence to prove this. And even if true, why does the entirety of content of YouTube need to be punished for the undesired behavioral patterns that YouTube has cultivated on controversial videos they've pushed on everyone?
  - gremloni 5y ago
    View count vs like/dislike ratio is an incredible accurate metric for my point.
    - educaysean 5y ago
      Can you please elaborate? You have a way to compare a raw metric (counts) against a ratio (like vs. dislike) that yields useful insights as to whether the like vs. dislike ratio was the product of brigading?
      - mikeyjk 5y ago

loudtieblahblah 5y ago

This is to kiss the ass of big corporate creators and protect their brand when it becomes unpopular

mikeyjk 5y ago
This, imo. Netflix did the exact same thing.

rvba 5y ago

How can you know?