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First, you mean Autopilot vs SuperCruise. FSD is only available to a few thousand people in a closed beta and it can do things (drive around a city, or parking

First, you mean Autopilot vs SuperCruise. FSD is only available to a few thousand people in a closed beta and it can do things (drive around a city, or parking lot) that SC cannot attempt (it is geofenced to highways) Second, legacy OEMs have been releasing their "first EV" for 5 years now. The Bolt beat the Model 3 to market and was hailed (as all these were) as Tesla Killer. Sounds funny today, but people took it seriously in 2017. After that it was supposed to be the eTron, the new Leaf, the EQC, Taycan, ID3 etc etc. Ford is physically incapable of making more than 50k MachE-s this year, meanwhile Tesla makes 220K 3+Y per quarter.

thinkmassive 5y ago
FSD is widely available “If you have not already purchased FSD capability and your vehicle has FSD computer 3.0 or above, you can subscribe to FSD capability from the Tesla app or your Tesla Account.” https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-subscriptions https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-subscription...
- TheDong 5y ago
  Tesla offers two things called FSD: first, there's the "FSD Beta" which can navigate on city streets (with careful supervision). Second is FSD, which is the list of features here: https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot#usingautopilot https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot#usingautopilot Effectively, that second FSD gives you a grab bag of features like "lane change" and "summon", but doesn't give you what people think of with FSD (navigate on city streets). You can still pay $10k to get FSD, but you only get the second thing by default. The first thing, what people think of as FSD, FSD beta, is limited to a small pool of beta testers. I would not call that widely available. The FSD that is comparable to super cruise is still in a beta, and it's just awful naming of things which lets that page you link say that anyone can buy FSD.
tw04 5y ago
>First, you mean Autopilot vs SuperCruise. FSD is only available to a few thousand people in a closed beta and it can do things (drive around a city, or parking lot) that SC cannot attempt (it is geofenced to highways) No, I don't mean autopilot, I mean FSD vs. SuperCruise on the highway. >Second, legacy OEMs have been releasing their "first EV" for 5 years now. The Bolt beat the Model 3 to market and was hailed (as all these were) as Tesla Killer. Sounds funny today, but people took it seriously in 2017. After that it was supposed to be the eTron, the new Leaf, the EQC, Taycan, ID3 etc etc. Ford is physically incapable of making more than 50k MachE-s this year, meanwhile Tesla makes 220K 3+Y per quarter. I don't follow your point. Tesla started 18 years ago, the major automakers started 5 years ago and are already producing comparable vehicles. Your argument is: they haven't switched the entirety of their production from ICE to Electric and that's somehow going to mean they won't be able to eventually surpass Tesla? I have faith that GM or Ford can ramp up production of EVs far, far faster than Tesla can figure out quality control and how to build an interior that's something other than spartan. When is the last time GM did something like just remove automatic passenger seat adjustment from a car without telling anyone? That's just busch league.
- panick21_ 5y ago
  > I have faith that GM or Ford can ramp up production of EVs far, far faster than Tesla can figure out quality control and how to build an interior that's something other than spartan. Even if GM or Ford hit their own targets (and historically they haven't) they are not close to overtaking Tesla. And Tesla quality is actually fine. In terms of recalls and major issues Tesla had very few. In terms of fit and finish maybe there is a difference to your BMW, but compared to GM/Ford vehicles at the price the difference is not that big. In terms of battery and drive train Tesla has performed way better then the others. Ford had massive issues with their PHEV for example. GM just recalled every Bolt and stopped production. The list goes on. Tesla has managed to scale 50% almost every year for a decade, what exactly could they do to prove this to you other then doing it? They have 2 new factory that are opened shortly, do you believe somehow they managed to get the China factory producing at 500k run rate but other factories they wont be able to do it? > That's just busch league. Go look threw the history of GM recalls if you want to see real busch league kind of stuff.
varjag 5y ago
Mach-E is a substantially larger car than a Y, you need to compare to S.
long_time_gone 5y ago
> meanwhile Tesla makes 220K 3+Y per quarter. Ford sells and delivers about 900,000 F-150s a year.

thinkmassive 5y ago

FSD is widely available “If you have not already purchased FSD capability and your vehicle has FSD computer 3.0 or above, you can subscribe to FSD capability from the Tesla app or your Tesla Account.” https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-subscriptions https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-subscription...

TheDong 5y ago
Tesla offers two things called FSD: first, there's the "FSD Beta" which can navigate on city streets (with careful supervision). Second is FSD, which is the list of features here: https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot#usingautopilot https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot#usingautopilot Effectively, that second FSD gives you a grab bag of features like "lane change" and "summon", but doesn't give you what people think of with FSD (navigate on city streets). You can still pay $10k to get FSD, but you only get the second thing by default. The first thing, what people think of as FSD, FSD beta, is limited to a small pool of beta testers. I would not call that widely available. The FSD that is comparable to super cruise is still in a beta, and it's just awful naming of things which lets that page you link say that anyone can buy FSD.

tw04 5y ago

>First, you mean Autopilot vs SuperCruise. FSD is only available to a few thousand people in a closed beta and it can do things (drive around a city, or parking lot) that SC cannot attempt (it is geofenced to highways) No, I don't mean autopilot, I mean FSD vs. SuperCruise on the highway. >Second, legacy OEMs have been releasing their "first EV" for 5 years now. The Bolt beat the Model 3 to market and was hailed (as all these were) as Tesla Killer. Sounds funny today, but people took it seriously in 2017. After that it was supposed to be the eTron, the new Leaf, the EQC, Taycan, ID3 etc etc. Ford is physically incapable of making more than 50k MachE-s this year, meanwhile Tesla makes 220K 3+Y per quarter. I don't follow your point. Tesla started 18 years ago, the major automakers started 5 years ago and are already producing comparable vehicles. Your argument is: they haven't switched the entirety of their production from ICE to Electric and that's somehow going to mean they won't be able to eventually surpass Tesla? I have faith that GM or Ford can ramp up production of EVs far, far faster than Tesla can figure out quality control and how to build an interior that's something other than spartan. When is the last time GM did something like just remove automatic passenger seat adjustment from a car without telling anyone? That's just busch league.

panick21_ 5y ago
> I have faith that GM or Ford can ramp up production of EVs far, far faster than Tesla can figure out quality control and how to build an interior that's something other than spartan. Even if GM or Ford hit their own targets (and historically they haven't) they are not close to overtaking Tesla. And Tesla quality is actually fine. In terms of recalls and major issues Tesla had very few. In terms of fit and finish maybe there is a difference to your BMW, but compared to GM/Ford vehicles at the price the difference is not that big. In terms of battery and drive train Tesla has performed way better then the others. Ford had massive issues with their PHEV for example. GM just recalled every Bolt and stopped production. The list goes on. Tesla has managed to scale 50% almost every year for a decade, what exactly could they do to prove this to you other then doing it? They have 2 new factory that are opened shortly, do you believe somehow they managed to get the China factory producing at 500k run rate but other factories they wont be able to do it? > That's just busch league. Go look threw the history of GM recalls if you want to see real busch league kind of stuff.

varjag 5y ago

Mach-E is a substantially larger car than a Y, you need to compare to S.

long_time_gone 5y ago

> meanwhile Tesla makes 220K 3+Y per quarter. Ford sells and delivers about 900,000 F-150s a year.