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Much game hacking seems to be around competitive PvP. But I generally see even if you had no hacking, the social feel of a competitive PvP is often elitist and
by _carbyau_ 5y ago
Much game hacking seems to be around competitive PvP.
But I generally see even if you had no hacking, the social feel of a competitive PvP is often elitist and a turn off. The elites always seem to pick on the not so good, offering little true good hearted mentorship. This is not 100%, but a general thing, like 13yr olds having loose lips.
For example: Person A, bottom of the rung, loses a lot. Without mentorship help or good cheer this is not fun, so the options are:
1. Git gud. They have now given the "bottom of the rung" baton to someone else. Issue not solved, just handed over.
2. Leave. Which also gives the "bottom of the rung" baton to someone else, decreases player pool etc.
3. Keep playing and losing. Not many choose this.
With the high % of options being 1 or 2, eventually enough people pick 2. So most PvP is doomed to fail after the hype.
And in the period of time it is running, the elite have fun winning over the losing. Continuously.
Now add hackers.
Seems like unless you are the elite, which by definition is a minority, the only winning move is not to play.
- ReactiveJelly 5y agoYeah, I get tired of competition easily if I have no chance of putting up a good fight. Sometimes I even play cooperative table tennis with friends.
- _carbyau_ 5y agoI wish to add that PvP can be fun, if both sides are playing for fun and good humour. Then, even losing can be fun. But all too often is not the case. I also wonder why games are so focused on PvP while watching a huge WoW playerbase pay subscription fees to Blizzard for years on end. Warframe has been having a good stab at public coop FPS. They even have some PvP in there. Not sure whether hacking/elitism is much of an issue though as I played coop with friends the whole time...
- Aperocky 5y agoThat's why you need a ladder and populate the bottom of the ladder with idiot bots.
- grayfaced 5y agoPublishers have watered down their communities in a way that encourages delinquent behavior, both cheating and toxicity. In old school, communities formed around dedicated servers. There were servers that were really competitive, and others more casual. Now everyone is just disconnected random people. I'm surprised we haven't seen discord server integration into matchmaking. Always play with the same discord community that enforces their own community standards and where reputation follows you.
- skibz 5y ago> I'm surprised we haven't seen discord server integration into matchmaking. This is a thing. I have personally written integrations for Discord, IRC, and web apps to manage private competitive (and casual) games for communities from various FPS and RTS video games. Sessions organised this way are known as pickup games, or "PUGs" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick-up_game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick-up_game)
- sizzle 5y agoI miss hanging out in StarCraft Clan servers on blizzard.net So much camaraderie and feeling like you were part of a community and something bigger than just a game. Made some lifelong friends that way.
- Akronymus 5y agoOne of my all time favourite servers was joe.to 's j2 server for tf2. Lots of fun to be had, sadly it fell apart. (Still occasionally in contact with some though.) The other would be cake from guns of icarus. I miss both communities.
- chii 5y ago> Seems like unless you are the elite, which by definition is a minority, the only winning move is not to play. aint this a metaphor for life? :D The misconception you have is that pvp is meant to be fun. It's not. It's meant to be painful. It's meant to suck. But winning has meaning in pvp games, because of the above. If you want fun, the games to play is single player experiences. They are designed to give enjoyment, and happiness.
- Nursie 5y agoPvP can be lots of fun, in a game where we're all playing on the level.
- lifeformed 5y agoPvP can be supremely fun if you enjoy competition. Are sports not meant to be fun? Is chess meant to suck? There's a special dance in trying to understand an opponent and anticipate his next move, and when they do the same, you push each other to get better and better in the long run, and both come out ahead.
- _carbyau_ 5y agoWell, there are many aspects of life. Any given game only has a limited scope. For example, most people have family and friends who aren't "competing" with you for every dollar/meal/car/house. This gives you a safe place, respite from the wearying competitive world and hopefully some enjoyment. In regards to the competitive workplace though, yeah, you could say games could be a metaphor in that regard. Again though, workplaces are varied and larger in scope. People can also jump between workplaces to their benefit - which AFAIK doesn't work with games.
- Nursie 5y agoHackers make 2 much more likely for me. If I'm struggling to get off the ground, and getting demoralised, realising that I literally have no chance against the others because they are hacking just makes me switch off completely. I know there's a learning curve in any given game. I know I have a chance to be at least on the low end of mediocre with a bit of practice. Unless the game is infested with hackers in which case it makes no difference and I may as well give up now.
- verigudpleyar 5y agoI would argue that PvP games are most fun exactly at the point, when you are still kinda bad. Every bit of progress is an achievement and every new thing you learn has a huge impact. The games become less and less fun as you advance the Elo/rank ladder - playing becomes less about having fun and more about keeping your status. From my experience "the elite" has the least fun. And I think this is true both in cases, where there is a matchmaking system that matches skill level, and where there is none. There is only a small portion of players that would find fun in endlessly dominating "bottom of the rung" players. Maybe that is also one of the reasons, why hacking is limited to a small portion of players.