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> Edit: to add on, bikes are like 1-2 orders of magnitude cheaper than cars too, both in upfront and ongoing costs also. It’s super unfortunate that it still ge

> Edit: to add on, bikes are like 1-2 orders of magnitude cheaper than cars too, both in upfront and ongoing costs also. It’s super unfortunate that it still gets the stereotype as a “rich white people” activity when it’s really so much more financially accessible than a car. Here’s a theory: road cycling is more available to those who live reasonably close to work and have time to spare, and that is relatively rich people. Poorer people literally cannot afford not to have a car because they have to travel long distances to work, and their areas are not well served by public transport.

adrianN 5y ago
This might be different in the US, but here in Berlin access to cars correlates very strongly with income. The majority of below-median-income households don't have a car, whereas the top earners have several.
rdtwo 5y ago
That and they often work at night when it’s extremely unsafe to bike
- wolverine876 5y ago
  > night when it’s extremely unsafe to bike Not necessarily. There is often less traffic at night, for example. It depends on how well-lit the route is.
  - Scoundreller 5y ago
    And it's really impressive what you can get for $35 in bike lights these days. I use this set (with the 1000 lm): https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002708075115.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002708075115.html
Retric 5y ago
The real difference is people working 9-5 see other commuters working 9-5 where students, working class, and poor people have a much wider range of schedules. As to living near the urban core, inner cities have a lot of relatively poor people. Roommates and HUD style affordable housing add another dimension to housing that’s not obvious to most people. Twenty to Thirty percent of the units have been set aside for low or middle-income residents, which means the monthly rent is affordable to low or middle-income households and those households must qualify at the outset. https://www.residenewyork.com/faq/how-many-units-are-allocated-for-affordable-new-york/ https://www.residenewyork.com/faq/how-many-units-are-allocat...

adrianN 5y ago

This might be different in the US, but here in Berlin access to cars correlates very strongly with income. The majority of below-median-income households don't have a car, whereas the top earners have several.

rdtwo 5y ago

That and they often work at night when it’s extremely unsafe to bike

wolverine876 5y ago
> night when it’s extremely unsafe to bike Not necessarily. There is often less traffic at night, for example. It depends on how well-lit the route is.
- Scoundreller 5y ago
  And it's really impressive what you can get for $35 in bike lights these days. I use this set (with the 1000 lm): https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002708075115.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002708075115.html

Retric 5y ago

The real difference is people working 9-5 see other commuters working 9-5 where students, working class, and poor people have a much wider range of schedules. As to living near the urban core, inner cities have a lot of relatively poor people. Roommates and HUD style affordable housing add another dimension to housing that’s not obvious to most people. Twenty to Thirty percent of the units have been set aside for low or middle-income residents, which means the monthly rent is affordable to low or middle-income households and those households must qualify at the outset. https://www.residenewyork.com/faq/how-many-units-are-allocated-for-affordable-new-york/ https://www.residenewyork.com/faq/how-many-units-are-allocat...