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You're not in a bizarro world. Most users are pretty happy with their M1 Macs (myself included) and HN just tends to upvote anything anti-apple even if it's an

You're not in a bizarro world. Most users are pretty happy with their M1 Macs (myself included) and HN just tends to upvote anything anti-apple even if it's an isolated experience. I'd wager most people on this thread do not actually own an m1 Mac. My experience (and that of others I know that have them) has been nothing but stellar.

addicted 5y ago
Unfortunately it’s comments and religious defenders like this that allow Apple to get away with selling broken products for years, and then issue recalls for products sold 4-5 years ago when people are not using them anymore, like they’ve done with multiple Mac laptops that had graphics card and screen issues.
bserge 5y ago
HN has more Apple "fans" than "haters". And they will downvote anything bad about Apple lol
jlpom 5y ago
I own a M1 8 gb and It has to go through multiple reboots/day with lot of open tabs/apps on Monterey
- wait_a_minute 5y ago
  Was it doing that before Monterey? I haven't upgraded to Monterey yet because I want to avoid any bugs that haven't been ironed out yet...so far my M1 8gb has been excellent and if those issues are introduced by Monterey then I may just delay upgraading until next year sometime.
  - jlpom 5y ago
    Not sure because I quickly upgraded it and I haven't a lot of open pages/process before
quitit 5y ago
Worth a read if you ever wonder why certain people on here are oddly fixated on the platforms other people are using. (Especially when they have no clue what you even do with your hardware.) https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2021/11/group-narcissism/620632/ https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2021/11/group-nar...
PragmaticPulp 5y ago
I’m generally happy with my Mac products, but I’ve also gone through long periods where my Mac would crash multiple times per week due to serious OS bugs. Most recently, the Thunderbolt 3 issues were responsible for countless hours of lost time rebooting my laptop last year, and I’m not alone: https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2020/10/03/repro/ https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2020/10/03/repro/ The weirdest part was that this occurred with only Apple products connected to my laptop. I couldn’t even blame it on 3rd-party products. It also worked perfectly fine before and after the range of affected MacOS versions. There were many reports of the same issue all over the internet, so I know I wasn’t alone. Then one day Apple finally fixed the bug and everything was back to normal. But all those months of constant reboots and crashed and failed workarounds left a mark on my overall experience. So while the Mac experience is generally good, it’s still far from perfect. Weirdly, I’ve had far fewer problems with my Windows system in recent years.
peoplefromibiza 5y ago
Just a wild guess, but I imagine most users are not pro users and don't even notice if a process leaks memory. My Mac used to expose the same kind of problems, that's why I switched to Linux on non Apple laptops years ago. My feeling was that the quality of the OS went down constantly and apparently it's not coming back with newer releases.
skoskie 5y ago
Your position is that HN users are anti-apple and lying about this issue, rather than people with no agenda just sharing their experiences?
- adrr 5y ago
  Claiming most people don't have M1 apple products is also bizarre considering almost all startups are using exclusively macs and we've all been waiting for the this release. Its not like Apple doesn't release faulty hardware and software. Butterfly keyboard is a good example of faulty hardware and OSX Lion crashed all the time on the Macbook pros with discrete GPUs till Apple patched it.
defaultname 5y ago
I don't think it's really anti-Apple, but these articles do tend to take what seem likely to be very isolated events and present them as widespread, systemic issues. I have absolutely no doubt that this person is having bad memory leaks (though their narrative about SoC memory or other elements seem unlikely to play any part whatsoever). Software has faults, and something in their environment or stack is causing problems. I have an M1 Mac and used every beta of Monterey, and now the release, and have had zero problems. Like nothing at all. I use XCode, IntelliJ, Chrome, Safari, Excel, Logic Pro among others all day long, heavily. Loads of other people seem to be having no problem with their systems. Eh. If something has literally millions of users, saying "{X} happens" will invariably draw out someone with a similar anecdote, but that doesn't mean it happens to everyone, or even a significant minority. Some unique combination of factors is yielding a poor user experience, and hopefully there is a resolution, but it just doesn't seem likely that it's widespread.
- katbyte 5y ago
  elephant in the room for all these sort of articles it the law of large numbers. Sell a couple million devices with a defect that affects .1% of people and it'll be a thing for 1,000s of folk. And apple sells 10s of millions.
rufugee 5y ago
Same here. My 16-inch M1 has been a dream so far.
wait_a_minute 5y ago
Yep. I bought my M1 13" (with 8gb of ram) when it launched and it's easily the best laptop I've purchased. I want the 16" with the M1 Max because it looks incredible but so far the M1 13" has chewed through everything I've thrown at it, and I use it heavily every single day. Fantastic laptop.
amelius 5y ago
> HN just tends to upvote anything anti-apple even if it's an isolated experience Why do I see so many pro-Apple posts then? And even posts directly pointing to an Apple ad.
qudat 5y ago
Im willing to bet this community has a higher percentage of apple users than most others. The number of people claiming to already have an M1 of any kind is surprising, especially considering Ive received a macbook pro for every single software engineering job Ive ever had.
int_19h 5y ago
I think the main reason why these stories are brought up for Apple so much is because it has this persistent "things just work" narrative that a lot of people buy into when they decide to pay the Apple premium. When it turns out to not be true, it stings more than similar issues on e.g. Windows or Android, simply because the expectations there aren't that rosy to begin with.
dang 5y ago
Please don't make spurious generalizations about the community—these images are nearly all in the eye of the beholder, i.e. people with the opposite preferences to yours see the community exactly the opposite way (and make similarly spurious generalizations about HN favoring Apple or whatever $BigCo they don't personally care for). Because such generalizations are just encodings of personal likes/dislikes in the form of general claims, they lead to lame discussion. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20dislike%20notice&sort=byDate&type=story&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22false%20feelings%20of%20generality%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

addicted 5y ago

Unfortunately it’s comments and religious defenders like this that allow Apple to get away with selling broken products for years, and then issue recalls for products sold 4-5 years ago when people are not using them anymore, like they’ve done with multiple Mac laptops that had graphics card and screen issues.

bserge 5y ago

HN has more Apple "fans" than "haters". And they will downvote anything bad about Apple lol

jlpom 5y ago

I own a M1 8 gb and It has to go through multiple reboots/day with lot of open tabs/apps on Monterey

wait_a_minute 5y ago
Was it doing that before Monterey? I haven't upgraded to Monterey yet because I want to avoid any bugs that haven't been ironed out yet...so far my M1 8gb has been excellent and if those issues are introduced by Monterey then I may just delay upgraading until next year sometime.
- jlpom 5y ago
  Not sure because I quickly upgraded it and I haven't a lot of open pages/process before

quitit 5y ago

Worth a read if you ever wonder why certain people on here are oddly fixated on the platforms other people are using. (Especially when they have no clue what you even do with your hardware.) https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2021/11/group-narcissism/620632/ https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2021/11/group-nar...

PragmaticPulp 5y ago

I’m generally happy with my Mac products, but I’ve also gone through long periods where my Mac would crash multiple times per week due to serious OS bugs. Most recently, the Thunderbolt 3 issues were responsible for countless hours of lost time rebooting my laptop last year, and I’m not alone: https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2020/10/03/repro/ https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2020/10/03/repro/ The weirdest part was that this occurred with only Apple products connected to my laptop. I couldn’t even blame it on 3rd-party products. It also worked perfectly fine before and after the range of affected MacOS versions. There were many reports of the same issue all over the internet, so I know I wasn’t alone. Then one day Apple finally fixed the bug and everything was back to normal. But all those months of constant reboots and crashed and failed workarounds left a mark on my overall experience. So while the Mac experience is generally good, it’s still far from perfect. Weirdly, I’ve had far fewer problems with my Windows system in recent years.

peoplefromibiza 5y ago

Just a wild guess, but I imagine most users are not pro users and don't even notice if a process leaks memory. My Mac used to expose the same kind of problems, that's why I switched to Linux on non Apple laptops years ago. My feeling was that the quality of the OS went down constantly and apparently it's not coming back with newer releases.

skoskie 5y ago

Your position is that HN users are anti-apple and lying about this issue, rather than people with no agenda just sharing their experiences?

adrr 5y ago
Claiming most people don't have M1 apple products is also bizarre considering almost all startups are using exclusively macs and we've all been waiting for the this release. Its not like Apple doesn't release faulty hardware and software. Butterfly keyboard is a good example of faulty hardware and OSX Lion crashed all the time on the Macbook pros with discrete GPUs till Apple patched it.

defaultname 5y ago

I don't think it's really anti-Apple, but these articles do tend to take what seem likely to be very isolated events and present them as widespread, systemic issues. I have absolutely no doubt that this person is having bad memory leaks (though their narrative about SoC memory or other elements seem unlikely to play any part whatsoever). Software has faults, and something in their environment or stack is causing problems. I have an M1 Mac and used every beta of Monterey, and now the release, and have had zero problems. Like nothing at all. I use XCode, IntelliJ, Chrome, Safari, Excel, Logic Pro among others all day long, heavily. Loads of other people seem to be having no problem with their systems. Eh. If something has literally millions of users, saying "{X} happens" will invariably draw out someone with a similar anecdote, but that doesn't mean it happens to everyone, or even a significant minority. Some unique combination of factors is yielding a poor user experience, and hopefully there is a resolution, but it just doesn't seem likely that it's widespread.

katbyte 5y ago
elephant in the room for all these sort of articles it the law of large numbers. Sell a couple million devices with a defect that affects .1% of people and it'll be a thing for 1,000s of folk. And apple sells 10s of millions.

rufugee 5y ago

Same here. My 16-inch M1 has been a dream so far.

wait_a_minute 5y ago

Yep. I bought my M1 13" (with 8gb of ram) when it launched and it's easily the best laptop I've purchased. I want the 16" with the M1 Max because it looks incredible but so far the M1 13" has chewed through everything I've thrown at it, and I use it heavily every single day. Fantastic laptop.

amelius 5y ago

> HN just tends to upvote anything anti-apple even if it's an isolated experience Why do I see so many pro-Apple posts then? And even posts directly pointing to an Apple ad.

qudat 5y ago

Im willing to bet this community has a higher percentage of apple users than most others. The number of people claiming to already have an M1 of any kind is surprising, especially considering Ive received a macbook pro for every single software engineering job Ive ever had.

int_19h 5y ago

I think the main reason why these stories are brought up for Apple so much is because it has this persistent "things just work" narrative that a lot of people buy into when they decide to pay the Apple premium. When it turns out to not be true, it stings more than similar issues on e.g. Windows or Android, simply because the expectations there aren't that rosy to begin with.

dang 5y ago

Please don't make spurious generalizations about the community—these images are nearly all in the eye of the beholder, i.e. people with the opposite preferences to yours see the community exactly the opposite way (and make similarly spurious generalizations about HN favoring Apple or whatever $BigCo they don't personally care for). Because such generalizations are just encodings of personal likes/dislikes in the form of general claims, they lead to lame discussion. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20dislike%20notice&sort=byDate&type=story&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22false%20feelings%20of%20generality%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html