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I wouldn't trust any minimum wage research in today's politicized academic climate. These are all models of a complex nonlinear system, it's trivially easy to b

I wouldn't trust any minimum wage research in today's politicized academic climate. These are all models of a complex nonlinear system, it's trivially easy to build a model that will back fit your selection of target data while simultaneously outputting any future results that the modelers want (intentionally or otherwise).

Kye 5y ago
What are you on about? The linked study is from over half a decade ago, and it's not from academia.
- twofornone 5y ago
  So... right around Trump's election? This politicization is older than 5 years. But you're right its from an allegedly independent organization.
  - Kye 5y ago
    You didn't set a time bound on "today's politicized academic climate," so I had to guess. There's always a new conservative bugaboo with some aspect focused on schools, and it tends to come on 5-10 year cycles. It's CRT today, teaching about gay people existing around then (post-Obergefell v. Hodges), Sharia law allegedly taking over communities not that long ago. It seems the merits and hazards of paying people enough to live is next with this new labor movement frustrating people who are used to abusing lopsided power relationships.
    - twofornone 5y ago
      It's dishonest to dismiss valid concerns as "conservative bugaboos". Pew surveys have consistently shown that the majority of global muslims, for example, support establishing Sharia Law and placing it above local laws in foreign countries. I won't get into the issues with CRT but they're not nearly as cut and dry as you are implying. Nor is your interpretation over labor law. I'm at least willing to acknowledge that the progressive aspect is not entirely without merit; are you truly so arrogant as to blithely dismiss the views of about half the country in their entirety?
      - Kye 5y ago
        Half the country? No, of course not. A quarter at best, and I charitably assume most voting Republicans (the quarter) are as concerned about what's happening to their party as the other ~75% of the country. Some of its leadership, most now dead, decided to lean hard into extremist evangelical beliefs some decades ago and people who took up the reins after are still dealing with the fallout. But it's incontrovertible this class of bugaboos is almost exclusively shared among people who self-identify as conservative. I didn't say all conservatives; you read that into my comment. I have other criticisms for liberal, leftist, Democrat, etc bugaboos. I'm talking about your comment. You do not represent half the country.
imtringued 5y ago
If you can raise wages without any damaging effects that just means you were underpaying your workers. In other words, raising a low minimum wage just works by accident. It's not a very reliable policy tool.

Kye 5y ago

What are you on about? The linked study is from over half a decade ago, and it's not from academia.

twofornone 5y ago
So... right around Trump's election? This politicization is older than 5 years. But you're right its from an allegedly independent organization.
- Kye 5y ago
  You didn't set a time bound on "today's politicized academic climate," so I had to guess. There's always a new conservative bugaboo with some aspect focused on schools, and it tends to come on 5-10 year cycles. It's CRT today, teaching about gay people existing around then (post-Obergefell v. Hodges), Sharia law allegedly taking over communities not that long ago. It seems the merits and hazards of paying people enough to live is next with this new labor movement frustrating people who are used to abusing lopsided power relationships.
  - twofornone 5y ago
    It's dishonest to dismiss valid concerns as "conservative bugaboos". Pew surveys have consistently shown that the majority of global muslims, for example, support establishing Sharia Law and placing it above local laws in foreign countries. I won't get into the issues with CRT but they're not nearly as cut and dry as you are implying. Nor is your interpretation over labor law. I'm at least willing to acknowledge that the progressive aspect is not entirely without merit; are you truly so arrogant as to blithely dismiss the views of about half the country in their entirety?
    - Kye 5y ago
      Half the country? No, of course not. A quarter at best, and I charitably assume most voting Republicans (the quarter) are as concerned about what's happening to their party as the other ~75% of the country. Some of its leadership, most now dead, decided to lean hard into extremist evangelical beliefs some decades ago and people who took up the reins after are still dealing with the fallout. But it's incontrovertible this class of bugaboos is almost exclusively shared among people who self-identify as conservative. I didn't say all conservatives; you read that into my comment. I have other criticisms for liberal, leftist, Democrat, etc bugaboos. I'm talking about your comment. You do not represent half the country.

imtringued 5y ago

If you can raise wages without any damaging effects that just means you were underpaying your workers. In other words, raising a low minimum wage just works by accident. It's not a very reliable policy tool.