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"not too bad" What would you consider a bad job? In relation to my current not actually a job job where I do computer shit, I would consider my menial, back br

"not too bad" What would you consider a bad job? In relation to my current not actually a job job where I do computer shit, I would consider my menial, back breaking, minimum wage first job to be bad.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
Whether a job is bad pretty much is exclusively dependent on whether or not you, your manager(s) and/or your coworkers have an adversarial relationship.
bitexploder 5y ago
I dunno. Other than standing a lot it was not a very hard job. I was treated like a human and my boss would let me schedule stuff around whatever I had going on. I was a teenager in high school though so I only worked like 15 hours a week. I also didn’t need a lot of money living at home. Mostly dangerous jobs, ones that break your body like construction, and ones where you work with people who don’t treat you well are “bad” in my book. Wages and making a living would be a problem is this was your main job though, obviously. I didn’t like cleaning the play tubes, but it never bothered me much.
ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>In relation to my current not actually a job job where I do computer shit, I would consider my menial, back breaking, minimum wage first job to be bad. Sorry, but nearly any skilled job could end up in the "bad job" sector, if your benchmark is "cushy IT job". Even Doctors. They may get paid handsomely, but considering the many years they have to spend grinding away studying and taking exams, and the overtime they have to do (in the public sector) plus the on calls and dealing with many sick people, that aint no cushy job. The easiest cushy job I could think of is tram driver in my city. Don't need to think about steering, just watch the lights, and either hit the gas or the brake pedal, then push the buttons for opening and closing the doors.
- xwdv 5y ago
  Especially doctors. My doctor asked me the other day if I was working from home. Yup, doing like 4-5 hour days mostly. He was jealous. It’s tough being a doctor all day and though you’re well compensated it’s still so many hours of your life given away to work each day. Really it’s hard for me to imagine any job cushier than working in software in the comfort of your own home. The work can be mentally stimulating when you want it to be and usually isn’t very difficult if you know what you’re doing, and it’s well paid. Thank god most people don’t have the mind or patience for it, else we might be paid far less.
  - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    I can assume that's your experience in your own bubble (in the US maybe?) But where I am in Europe the market is a bit worse and there are companies who will try to squeeze 8 hours worth of coding out of you due to an oversupply of talent and a shortage of innovative companies to work for.
    - xwdv 5y ago
      Not the case here in the US.
      - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
        I thought so :) I'm envious of you. You should rejoice you live in a market that favors devs so much.
        mehphp 5y ago
        How often do you see Europeans work remotely for US companies? Is it extremely rare in your experience?
        ChuckNorris89 5y ago
        >Is it extremely rare in your experience? In my experience yes but I live in small country in western Europe that's never on the radar of recruiters from the US, unless they're looking for a holiday destination :). I never found US tech jobs open for remote candidates that were not some off-shore sweatshop kind of slave work looking to undercut the local US market wages with candidates willing to work longer hours for less pay than the local talent. The good US tech companies never put their crown jewels in the hands on remote workers from abroad they haven't already known before or gotten through some internal referral. I'm sure there are a few exceptions and glad to be proven wrong though but that's what the market looks like from my PoV.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

Whether a job is bad pretty much is exclusively dependent on whether or not you, your manager(s) and/or your coworkers have an adversarial relationship.

bitexploder 5y ago

I dunno. Other than standing a lot it was not a very hard job. I was treated like a human and my boss would let me schedule stuff around whatever I had going on. I was a teenager in high school though so I only worked like 15 hours a week. I also didn’t need a lot of money living at home. Mostly dangerous jobs, ones that break your body like construction, and ones where you work with people who don’t treat you well are “bad” in my book. Wages and making a living would be a problem is this was your main job though, obviously. I didn’t like cleaning the play tubes, but it never bothered me much.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

>In relation to my current not actually a job job where I do computer shit, I would consider my menial, back breaking, minimum wage first job to be bad. Sorry, but nearly any skilled job could end up in the "bad job" sector, if your benchmark is "cushy IT job". Even Doctors. They may get paid handsomely, but considering the many years they have to spend grinding away studying and taking exams, and the overtime they have to do (in the public sector) plus the on calls and dealing with many sick people, that aint no cushy job. The easiest cushy job I could think of is tram driver in my city. Don't need to think about steering, just watch the lights, and either hit the gas or the brake pedal, then push the buttons for opening and closing the doors.

xwdv 5y ago
Especially doctors. My doctor asked me the other day if I was working from home. Yup, doing like 4-5 hour days mostly. He was jealous. It’s tough being a doctor all day and though you’re well compensated it’s still so many hours of your life given away to work each day. Really it’s hard for me to imagine any job cushier than working in software in the comfort of your own home. The work can be mentally stimulating when you want it to be and usually isn’t very difficult if you know what you’re doing, and it’s well paid. Thank god most people don’t have the mind or patience for it, else we might be paid far less.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  I can assume that's your experience in your own bubble (in the US maybe?) But where I am in Europe the market is a bit worse and there are companies who will try to squeeze 8 hours worth of coding out of you due to an oversupply of talent and a shortage of innovative companies to work for.
  - xwdv 5y ago
    Not the case here in the US.
    - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
      I thought so :) I'm envious of you. You should rejoice you live in a market that favors devs so much.
      - mehphp 5y ago
        How often do you see Europeans work remotely for US companies? Is it extremely rare in your experience?
        ChuckNorris89 5y ago
        >Is it extremely rare in your experience? In my experience yes but I live in small country in western Europe that's never on the radar of recruiters from the US, unless they're looking for a holiday destination :). I never found US tech jobs open for remote candidates that were not some off-shore sweatshop kind of slave work looking to undercut the local US market wages with candidates willing to work longer hours for less pay than the local talent. The good US tech companies never put their crown jewels in the hands on remote workers from abroad they haven't already known before or gotten through some internal referral. I'm sure there are a few exceptions and glad to be proven wrong though but that's what the market looks like from my PoV.