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Second Life allowed for a lot of the NSFW content and interactions that people tend to enjoy both in entertainment and in real life (this is also true of VRChat

Second Life allowed for a lot of the NSFW content and interactions that people tend to enjoy both in entertainment and in real life (this is also true of VRChat to some extent). Metaverse will be a sanitized, sterile project for children. Fundamentally the people like Zuckerberg responsible for its execution do not understand what people want, which is why Metaverse has no chance of success.

long_time_gone 5y ago
> Fundamentally the people like Zuckerberg responsible for its execution do not understand what people want I agree with the broader point, but Facebook owns three of the most popular apps in the world. They have at least some idea of what people want.
- unethical_ban 5y ago
  I wonder if they've found a "local peak" of knowing how to get people addicted to news feeds and updates for advertising purposes. Are they really trying to figure out what people want, or just what they can monetize that is similar to what they already do?
- tremon 5y ago
  Do they really? Only one of those they created, the others they bought after they'd already become the most popular apps. You don't have to have any ideas to just measure what's already popular and buy it.
  - wy35 5y ago
    Instagram acquisition price (2012): $1B Instagram projected ad revenue (2021, projected): $18B They do more than just buy apps. We shouldn't underestimate Meta -- they can do to Oculus what they did to Instagram.
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  - long_time_gone 5y ago
    They built Facebook and Messenger from zero users to billions. Instagram had 50 million users when Facebook bought them. WhatsApp had around 300 million. Now they each have over a billion.
EdwardDiego 5y ago
There used to be a lot of money to be made in designing scriptable Second Life dragon dicks.
qdot76367 5y ago
Guard rails never work completely, even in kids worlds (i.e. the "babboing 4 furni" trend in habbo hotel). NSFW content will always find a way. Always.
- PeterisP 5y ago
  What is "babboing 4 furni"? Search seems to find only this very comment for these terms.
ilaksh 5y ago
I have owned land in Second Life continuously for probably ten years or more. Haven't been on recently but very familiar with what you are talking about. NSFW is a big part of it but by no means the only part. Meta has a very dominant position in VR headsets. All they have to do is add add a "teleport friend" button to message notifications inside of Oculus Quest 2 when you are in the default home environment, allow some movement in the space, and they will have by far the most popular version of the Metaverse. If they want to start doing brand deals, place some store portals near the door. You really think that won't start taking away a ton of business from VR Chat and the rest? They will win by default. They completely control the experience. From the moment you turn the headset on, you are already IN their Metaverse. It's just a shit Metaverse with no features. But regardless of what Zuck understands, there are too many highly paid geniuses around him absorbing some of his billions to not take advantage of the situation.
- herbst 5y ago
  I honestly don't know a single person with a oculus. Many with the PlayStation or the HTC one. I also barely know people that use Facebook. And many that are not willing to create a FB account for whatever reason. It's just anectotal. But I don't see how this walled garden will find any widespread use around here. Just as I know no one who uses Apples walled garden chats, simply because apple never reached a critical mass and people don't like to be locked out of their friends.
  - skinnymuch 5y ago
    Yeah. Like sibling comment said. You are already in your own wild bubble. You’re taking your anecdotes and having them explain why people are or are not doing things in general. When in reality things like Facebook, Oculus, iMessage/FaceTime are all popular.
    - tremon 5y ago
      I must be living in the same alternate reality as the GP, then. Facebook and Whatsapp are commonly used around here, but the others hardly exist at all.

long_time_gone 5y ago

> Fundamentally the people like Zuckerberg responsible for its execution do not understand what people want I agree with the broader point, but Facebook owns three of the most popular apps in the world. They have at least some idea of what people want.

unethical_ban 5y ago
I wonder if they've found a "local peak" of knowing how to get people addicted to news feeds and updates for advertising purposes. Are they really trying to figure out what people want, or just what they can monetize that is similar to what they already do?
tremon 5y ago
Do they really? Only one of those they created, the others they bought after they'd already become the most popular apps. You don't have to have any ideas to just measure what's already popular and buy it.
- wy35 5y ago
  Instagram acquisition price (2012): $1B Instagram projected ad revenue (2021, projected): $18B They do more than just buy apps. We shouldn't underestimate Meta -- they can do to Oculus what they did to Instagram.
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- long_time_gone 5y ago
  They built Facebook and Messenger from zero users to billions. Instagram had 50 million users when Facebook bought them. WhatsApp had around 300 million. Now they each have over a billion.

EdwardDiego 5y ago

There used to be a lot of money to be made in designing scriptable Second Life dragon dicks.

qdot76367 5y ago

Guard rails never work completely, even in kids worlds (i.e. the "babboing 4 furni" trend in habbo hotel). NSFW content will always find a way. Always.

PeterisP 5y ago
What is "babboing 4 furni"? Search seems to find only this very comment for these terms.

ilaksh 5y ago

I have owned land in Second Life continuously for probably ten years or more. Haven't been on recently but very familiar with what you are talking about. NSFW is a big part of it but by no means the only part. Meta has a very dominant position in VR headsets. All they have to do is add add a "teleport friend" button to message notifications inside of Oculus Quest 2 when you are in the default home environment, allow some movement in the space, and they will have by far the most popular version of the Metaverse. If they want to start doing brand deals, place some store portals near the door. You really think that won't start taking away a ton of business from VR Chat and the rest? They will win by default. They completely control the experience. From the moment you turn the headset on, you are already IN their Metaverse. It's just a shit Metaverse with no features. But regardless of what Zuck understands, there are too many highly paid geniuses around him absorbing some of his billions to not take advantage of the situation.

herbst 5y ago
I honestly don't know a single person with a oculus. Many with the PlayStation or the HTC one. I also barely know people that use Facebook. And many that are not willing to create a FB account for whatever reason. It's just anectotal. But I don't see how this walled garden will find any widespread use around here. Just as I know no one who uses Apples walled garden chats, simply because apple never reached a critical mass and people don't like to be locked out of their friends.
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  Yeah. Like sibling comment said. You are already in your own wild bubble. You’re taking your anecdotes and having them explain why people are or are not doing things in general. When in reality things like Facebook, Oculus, iMessage/FaceTime are all popular.
  - tremon 5y ago
    I must be living in the same alternate reality as the GP, then. Facebook and Whatsapp are commonly used around here, but the others hardly exist at all.