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Eh, the modern-ish notion (tomato sauce and cheese topping) of pizza maybe. Topped flatbreads called pizza are much older, and topped flatbreads in general are
by phonypc 5y ago
Eh, the modern-ish notion (tomato sauce and cheese topping) of pizza maybe. Topped flatbreads called pizza are much older, and topped flatbreads in general are again much older than that.
- silisili 5y agoIf you draw comparisons to say, tortillas(i do), they go way, way back, at least 12k years if wiki is to be believed.
- Mikeb85 5y agoGrain that's ground, mixed with water and cooked is definitely one of the earliest processed foods humans created. Easily 10's of thousands of years old. The entire agricultural revolution occurred because humans wanted to farm grains; some historians say to make beer, but whether beer or bread came first both are connected (both are basically just water + grain + yeast + heat).
- irrational 5y agoDon’t forget the salt!
- zeroimpl 5y agoSeems like salt was only invented 8000 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt
- kadoban 5y agoThat seems basically impossible. Salt is really easy to find many places, its taste is _very_ obvious, and it's insanely useful (preserving food). I'd buy that we don't have great _evidence_ of its harvesting before that, which seems more like what the article says? But that's not really the same thing at all.
- cema 5y agoInvented?!
- irrational 5y agoLet me tell you about when Hydrogen was invented 13 Billion years ago.
- inter_netuser 5y agoDo we have archeological records of this prior to development of language? Seems like a fairly complex tech to pass on without some fairly involved language?
- maxlamb 5y agoIt is widely agreed that the development of language goes back at least 50k-150k years ago, so way before that time period: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_language
- dylan604 5y agoJust a margin of error of 100k years. Not bad.
- phonypc 5y agoLanguage, or the beginnings of it, is probably older than bread. But bread in its simplest form is not complex at all, I feel like you could hypothetically teach it to an early hominid without language. Just pound something starchy into a paste, maybe add some water and work it into a dough and cook it on some rocks.
- inter_netuser 5y agoI've heard reports of orangutans learning how to fish with a spear by observing humans. I wonder sometimes if we could teach them to make bread or baked plantains or something, idk, and then have that habit passed on to their offspring. The sticking point could be fire, seems rather hard to make, and even worse - maintain, without all the convenient tools we have today.
- thaumasiotes 5y ago> I've heard reports of orangutans learning how to fish with a spear by observing humans. They imitate the behavior, and you can easily find some pretty cool pictures of it. However, I'm not sure an orangutan has ever actually caught a fish that way.