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Except now we have a federal government which thinks it knows best and will force medical decisions on you.

by pwned1 5y ago

jungturk 5y ago
Yes, the US populace has elected to fund a public health organization which has advised on public health measures since its inception (which is not recent or coincident with Covid-19). You are not forced to take any vaccine, though many (public and private) institutions will require you to do so to participate in their functions (e.g. attending public school, serving in the military, working in hospitals, etc...). In any case, the will being applied is that of the people (indirectly) through its (mostly) elected representatives (who could abolish the public health organization any time it chose), not some nefarious government.
- zionic 5y ago
  > You are not forced to take any vaccine Can we please just stop? “Take this or lose your job and pension” is not a choice.
  - jatone 5y ago
    and forcing people to work with walking bioweapons is not a choice either, so I don't see your point. losing a job is not nearly as problematic as killing people because someone couldn't be arsed to take a couple jabs.
    - nradov 5y ago
      Please stop spreading misinformation. I encourage everyone eligible to get vaccinated, but by your definition vaccinated people are also "walking bioweapons". The main benefit of vaccination is in preventing severe symptoms, not transmission. Since the virus is now endemic we'll all likely get infected eventually regardless of vaccination rates. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu... https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y
      - jatone 5y ago
        hardly disinformation. vaccinated individual are less contagious, tend to clear their system of the virus faster, etc. are they still potentially vectors? yes. could the virus still potentially mutate? yes. is the chance of either of those happening greatly reduced? absolutely. so relatively speaking the vaccinated are walking bioweapons in comparison.
      - Izkata 5y ago
        > but by your definition vaccinated people are also "walking bioweapons". Worse than unvaccinated really, since they're less likely to get sick they won't know they're infected and that they should try to stay home.
    - nafix 5y ago
      How disingenuous. It's been proven time and again that those who have been vaccinated can still catch and transmit Covid.
  - ginja 5y ago
    I mean, it is because you can look for another job or start your own business if that's the hill you want to die on. But in general society has rules and we must abide by them if we want to participate. For instance I'm sure most people wouldn't appreciate if I walked around naked, which does not harm anyone unlike needlessly having an increased risk of contracting and/or spreading COVID.
- skrbjc 5y ago
  This is the trick. Force private companies to force you so that we can technically say we're not forcing you so you should shut-up you walking bio-weapon. I hope you understand how ridiculous this is.
ceejayoz 5y ago
We've done that for decades in this country. > All 50 states (plus the District of Columbia) mandate diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), polio, measles, rubella and chickenpox. In addition, every state except Iowa mandates immunization against mumps. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/08/states-have-mandated-vaccinations-since-long-before-covid-19/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/08/states-have...
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  The comparison to mandates for children to receive well-tested and -understood vaccines, against illnesses far more threatening to them than Covid, for the narrow purpose of attending public school, is so dishonest as to be a form of gaslighting. FWIW I believe Florida is in the process of relaxing mandates for some of the other required vaccinations -- certainly there is now political hay to be made from doing so because the concept has been so poisoned by the Covid vaccine mandaters.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    > for the narrow purpose of attending public school That doesn't seem all that narrow; 90% of the population goes through the public school system. (Side note: I'm in NY, and our vaccination mandate covers private/religious schools, too.) > well-tested and -understood vaccines Like the COVID vaccines, sweet. > illnesses far more threatening to them than Covid Missed the chickenpox one, did you? Killed ~100/year before the vaccines. COVID's killed 805 children in the US so far, per https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics.
    - AndrewBissell 5y ago
      > > well-tested and -understood vaccines > Like the COVID vaccines, sweet More gaslighting. The publications from the manufacturers themselves are chock full of unanswered questions and risks they say we must wait years for the answer to.
  - standardUser 5y ago

Except now we have a federal government which thinks it knows best and will force medical decisions on you.

by pwned1 5y ago

Except now we have a federal government which thinks it knows best and will force medical decisions on you.

Yes, the US populace has elected to fund a public health organization which has advised on public health measures since its inception (which is not recent or coincident with Covid-19). You are not forced to take any vaccine, though many (public and private) institutions will require you to do so to participate in their functions (e.g. attending public school, serving in the military, working in hospitals, etc...). In any case, the will being applied is that of the people (indirectly) through its (mostly) elected representatives (who could abolish the public health organization any time it chose), not some nefarious government.

zionic 5y ago
> You are not forced to take any vaccine Can we please just stop? “Take this or lose your job and pension” is not a choice.
- jatone 5y ago
  and forcing people to work with walking bioweapons is not a choice either, so I don't see your point. losing a job is not nearly as problematic as killing people because someone couldn't be arsed to take a couple jabs.
  - nradov 5y ago
    Please stop spreading misinformation. I encourage everyone eligible to get vaccinated, but by your definition vaccinated people are also "walking bioweapons". The main benefit of vaccination is in preventing severe symptoms, not transmission. Since the virus is now endemic we'll all likely get infected eventually regardless of vaccination rates. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu... https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y
    - jatone 5y ago
      hardly disinformation. vaccinated individual are less contagious, tend to clear their system of the virus faster, etc. are they still potentially vectors? yes. could the virus still potentially mutate? yes. is the chance of either of those happening greatly reduced? absolutely. so relatively speaking the vaccinated are walking bioweapons in comparison.
    - Izkata 5y ago
      > but by your definition vaccinated people are also "walking bioweapons". Worse than unvaccinated really, since they're less likely to get sick they won't know they're infected and that they should try to stay home.
  - nafix 5y ago
    How disingenuous. It's been proven time and again that those who have been vaccinated can still catch and transmit Covid.
- ginja 5y ago
  I mean, it is because you can look for another job or start your own business if that's the hill you want to die on. But in general society has rules and we must abide by them if we want to participate. For instance I'm sure most people wouldn't appreciate if I walked around naked, which does not harm anyone unlike needlessly having an increased risk of contracting and/or spreading COVID.
skrbjc 5y ago
This is the trick. Force private companies to force you so that we can technically say we're not forcing you so you should shut-up you walking bio-weapon. I hope you understand how ridiculous this is.

ceejayoz 5y ago

We've done that for decades in this country. > All 50 states (plus the District of Columbia) mandate diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), polio, measles, rubella and chickenpox. In addition, every state except Iowa mandates immunization against mumps. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/08/states-have-mandated-vaccinations-since-long-before-covid-19/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/08/states-have...

AndrewBissell 5y ago
The comparison to mandates for children to receive well-tested and -understood vaccines, against illnesses far more threatening to them than Covid, for the narrow purpose of attending public school, is so dishonest as to be a form of gaslighting. FWIW I believe Florida is in the process of relaxing mandates for some of the other required vaccinations -- certainly there is now political hay to be made from doing so because the concept has been so poisoned by the Covid vaccine mandaters.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > for the narrow purpose of attending public school That doesn't seem all that narrow; 90% of the population goes through the public school system. (Side note: I'm in NY, and our vaccination mandate covers private/religious schools, too.) > well-tested and -understood vaccines Like the COVID vaccines, sweet. > illnesses far more threatening to them than Covid Missed the chickenpox one, did you? Killed ~100/year before the vaccines. COVID's killed 805 children in the US so far, per https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics.
  - AndrewBissell 5y ago
    > > well-tested and -understood vaccines > Like the COVID vaccines, sweet More gaslighting. The publications from the manufacturers themselves are chock full of unanswered questions and risks they say we must wait years for the answer to.
- standardUser 5y ago