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A restaurant review has more content than this. This is just a list of personal tastes, with virtually no addressable argument. A lot of what he does say is i

A restaurant review has more content than this. This is just a list of personal tastes, with virtually no addressable argument. A lot of what he does say is idiotic. His entire lisp section, for example, is about an elisp system, which has absolutely nothing to do with the merits of learning real lisp. "Perl OO never really caught on." Um, have you looked at CPAN or the core module APIs in the last 8 years?

omouse 18y ago
Perl OO never really caught on because it isn't part of the core language. It's the same with Scheme. It's nothing to be embarrassed about or something that you want to try and correct. Also, what pray tell is a "real" lisp? Last I checked, Emacs-Lisp has macros and much of what makes any lisp a "real" lisp.
- jrockway 18y ago
  > Perl OO never really caught on because it isn't part of the core language. What? Perl OO did catch on, and it is part of the core language.
  - omouse 18y ago
    Perl OO = library. Scheme OO = library. Library != language. The last time I tried to use Perl OO, CPAN had to download a bunch of stuff for Moose. That doesn't sound like it's part of the core language to me. Has the situation changed? Are there OO things included with the default dist of Perl?
    - newt0311 18y ago
      Actually in lisp (and scheme as scheme is a dialect of lisp), the line between library and language is so fuzzy that its practically invisible.
    - jrockway 18y ago
      Perl 5 has had OO forever. Here's how it works: package Class; sub new { my $class = shift; bless {} => $class } sub method { my $self = shift; $self->{attribute} = 'value' }; package Subclass; our @ISA = qw(Class); sub method { my $self = shift; $self->SUPER::method(...); ... } package main; my $class = Subclass->new; $class->method; This is built into the core.
RavingGoat 18y ago
Keep in mind that the article is like 4 years old.
- silentbicycle 18y ago
  So we should be impressed that it can spell? :)

omouse 18y ago

Perl OO never really caught on because it isn't part of the core language. It's the same with Scheme. It's nothing to be embarrassed about or something that you want to try and correct. Also, what pray tell is a "real" lisp? Last I checked, Emacs-Lisp has macros and much of what makes any lisp a "real" lisp.

jrockway 18y ago
> Perl OO never really caught on because it isn't part of the core language. What? Perl OO did catch on, and it is part of the core language.
- omouse 18y ago
  Perl OO = library. Scheme OO = library. Library != language. The last time I tried to use Perl OO, CPAN had to download a bunch of stuff for Moose. That doesn't sound like it's part of the core language to me. Has the situation changed? Are there OO things included with the default dist of Perl?
  - newt0311 18y ago
    Actually in lisp (and scheme as scheme is a dialect of lisp), the line between library and language is so fuzzy that its practically invisible.
  - jrockway 18y ago
    Perl 5 has had OO forever. Here's how it works: package Class; sub new { my $class = shift; bless {} => $class } sub method { my $self = shift; $self->{attribute} = 'value' }; package Subclass; our @ISA = qw(Class); sub method { my $self = shift; $self->SUPER::method(...); ... } package main; my $class = Subclass->new; $class->method; This is built into the core.

RavingGoat 18y ago

Keep in mind that the article is like 4 years old.

silentbicycle 18y ago
So we should be impressed that it can spell? :)