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yes I read that. can't you just look down when it's safe?

tokai 5y ago
Not really, but you might get bullied other cyclists/fans. https://chrisfroomelookingatstems.tumblr.com/ https://chrisfroomelookingatstems.tumblr.com/
jhrmnn 5y ago
It is a problem at higher speeds (>40 km/h) so in sprints or more typically in downhills. In downhills live data aren’t really that useful. If it showed a live map, that would be very useful.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  it's a problem not having the data in front of you at high speeds? I don't get it. wouldn't it be unsafe having stuff obscure your vision constantly?
  - wowokay 5y ago
    Have you used or seen a HUD before? For example if you play video games, how many times might someone die while looking away from the screen? What about compared to glancing at their health, or Ammo? While the uninitiated think a HUD blocks your vision, it actually rests in a position (and is translucent) in such a way that you see through it and any glance would be milliseconds comparer to seconds of looking away. Plus your peripheral vision. Would notice changes to things while looking at the HUD compared to looking completely away.
    - endisneigh 5y ago
      yes I used Google Glass for a year. it definitely obscures your vision compared to not using it. it's funny you mention games because most games I've been playing have been moving away from having a HUD visible all of the time, and only show it contextually.
      - mdp2021 5y ago
        I tend to believe from other people's reports (also in this page) that Google Glass works differently from more recent systems. Translucent augmentational data, augmentational data and environment co-present and just eye-focus away in focus do not seem to obscure the vision. Personal experience, though not used at high speeds.
- tokai 5y ago
  Nobody looks at their watts or speed while sprinting or descenting.
  - 1-more 5y ago
    I like having my speed up for funsies so I know when I'm breaking the limit, but that's about it. The page on my head unit I use for structured training rides doesn't even have speed.
nradov 5y ago
It would be helpful in some situations. Especially when you're trying to execute a structured workout or race pacing plan based on power or heart rate while avoiding potholes and dodging other cyclists.
wongarsu 5y ago
In city traffic it's never save while you are moving, bike lanes are frequently intruded by parking or moving cars, or pedestrians if they are part of the sidewalk instead. And outside of bike lanes you're a car without crumple zones, not a good situation to look anywhere but the street either. For leisure biking you obviously choose paths where it doesn't matter.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  I get that, but wouldn't it be worse having stuff obscure your vision, especially at night where I assume it would be illuminated? reducing your ability to see dark things at night (assuming it works at night). I guess I don't understand why you need to see your heart rate and speed constantly. presumably any device (bike computer or phone) could just record your position and speed and you could just look later if you cared.
  - xcskier56 5y ago
    Heart rate and power (in watts) are used as a measure of how hard you’re going. During intervals you’re almost always trying to target a specific heart rate zone and stay there. During long climbs, elite riders know how many watts they’re capable of making and for how long. Watts then become a way to pace yourself and avoid going too hard. Same with heart rate
    - soco 5y ago
      If the usage is meant in the city where as you mentioned the focus is on avoiding all kinds of obstacles, having the heart rate occupying display estate is at best meaningless and at worst dangerous.
    - endisneigh 5y ago
      interesting - thanks for the reply.
  - mdp2021 5y ago
    > having stuff obscure your vision With the Augmented Reality headset I have, darker shades (obscuring the environment) improve the visibility of the "augmentational" displayed elements, but it is not necessary, and very probably unrequired when the information is concise (e.g heart rate value, as opposed to an essay). > why you need to see your heart rate and speed constantly [...] record ... and ... look later You do not get "feedback" if you check later. Real time feedback is different from "next-day analysis".
jasode 5y ago
>yes I read that, but is that a problem? can't you just look down when it's safe? I didn't downvote your comments but have you heard of HUD and why those augmented displays exist in some airplanes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-up_display https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-up_display
- endisneigh 5y ago
  seems like it's most common in aircrafts. I feel that the situation there is completely different.
  - SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
    Yes. Aircraft are much less liable to get hit by something if they look down for a moment.
    - jdavis703 5y ago
      Pilots in a tight formation are very likely to hit someone else if they glance away. Or even hit the ground. I’ve witnessed a pilot crash while flying inverted close to the ground. Certain kinds of flying require an extremely high level of concentration.
  - scoopertrooper 5y ago
    Not really, cyclists try to keep a steady cadence as they go along. It'd be quite liberating to be able to keep an eye on how you're tracking without having to regularly glance down at a little computer thing.
    - giva 5y ago
      I think they are more focused on power nowadays. The "screenshot" shows speed, power and distance.
  - mannykannot 5y ago
    HUDs are good for when it can be unsafe to look away from what's going on around you. That includes flying in formation, close to the ground or in combat, and cycling.
xcskier56 5y ago
When you’re mountain biking is certainly a problem. Doing intervals or racing on a really tight, twisty, and bumpy trail, not only do you have less time to look at your computer, it’s moving around so much relative to your eyes that it takes a bit longer just find it and focus on it. Sometimes it takes me 2-3 tries to read my heart rate data on especially technical sections. Road biking though, I really struggle to see the value. But it’s cool and like some other post said, bikers will spend exorbitant amounts of money on marginal gains.
jd115 5y ago
Whoever has been teaching everyone that the only way to make money is to "solve a problem" really needs to stop with this nonsense already.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  nobody claimed that, so i'm not sure why you mention it. you know it's possible for someone to actually just not understand right?
1-more 5y ago
This is for doing interval training. When I go out for a ride for instance I have a file from my training platform (Today's Plan) loaded on my bike computer. It queues me to the intervals I'll be doing. Each interval has a target power range (in Watts), heart rate range, and cadence. I can see all those targets and my actual values for those stats on screen at the same time on my bike computer (aka head unit). Glancing down at it is not perfect; I'd love having all this info as a heads up display. I was thinking about switching from glasses to contacts just so I could get sunglasses too, so this is coming out at the right time for me.

Not really, but you might get bullied other cyclists/fans. https://chrisfroomelookingatstems.tumblr.com/ https://chrisfroomelookingatstems.tumblr.com/

jhrmnn 5y ago

It is a problem at higher speeds (>40 km/h) so in sprints or more typically in downhills. In downhills live data aren’t really that useful. If it showed a live map, that would be very useful.

endisneigh 5y ago
it's a problem not having the data in front of you at high speeds? I don't get it. wouldn't it be unsafe having stuff obscure your vision constantly?
- wowokay 5y ago
  Have you used or seen a HUD before? For example if you play video games, how many times might someone die while looking away from the screen? What about compared to glancing at their health, or Ammo? While the uninitiated think a HUD blocks your vision, it actually rests in a position (and is translucent) in such a way that you see through it and any glance would be milliseconds comparer to seconds of looking away. Plus your peripheral vision. Would notice changes to things while looking at the HUD compared to looking completely away.
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    yes I used Google Glass for a year. it definitely obscures your vision compared to not using it. it's funny you mention games because most games I've been playing have been moving away from having a HUD visible all of the time, and only show it contextually.
    - mdp2021 5y ago
      I tend to believe from other people's reports (also in this page) that Google Glass works differently from more recent systems. Translucent augmentational data, augmentational data and environment co-present and just eye-focus away in focus do not seem to obscure the vision. Personal experience, though not used at high speeds.
tokai 5y ago
Nobody looks at their watts or speed while sprinting or descenting.
- 1-more 5y ago
  I like having my speed up for funsies so I know when I'm breaking the limit, but that's about it. The page on my head unit I use for structured training rides doesn't even have speed.

nradov 5y ago

It would be helpful in some situations. Especially when you're trying to execute a structured workout or race pacing plan based on power or heart rate while avoiding potholes and dodging other cyclists.

wongarsu 5y ago

In city traffic it's never save while you are moving, bike lanes are frequently intruded by parking or moving cars, or pedestrians if they are part of the sidewalk instead. And outside of bike lanes you're a car without crumple zones, not a good situation to look anywhere but the street either. For leisure biking you obviously choose paths where it doesn't matter.

endisneigh 5y ago
I get that, but wouldn't it be worse having stuff obscure your vision, especially at night where I assume it would be illuminated? reducing your ability to see dark things at night (assuming it works at night). I guess I don't understand why you need to see your heart rate and speed constantly. presumably any device (bike computer or phone) could just record your position and speed and you could just look later if you cared.
- xcskier56 5y ago
  Heart rate and power (in watts) are used as a measure of how hard you’re going. During intervals you’re almost always trying to target a specific heart rate zone and stay there. During long climbs, elite riders know how many watts they’re capable of making and for how long. Watts then become a way to pace yourself and avoid going too hard. Same with heart rate
  - soco 5y ago
    If the usage is meant in the city where as you mentioned the focus is on avoiding all kinds of obstacles, having the heart rate occupying display estate is at best meaningless and at worst dangerous.
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    interesting - thanks for the reply.
- mdp2021 5y ago
  > having stuff obscure your vision With the Augmented Reality headset I have, darker shades (obscuring the environment) improve the visibility of the "augmentational" displayed elements, but it is not necessary, and very probably unrequired when the information is concise (e.g heart rate value, as opposed to an essay). > why you need to see your heart rate and speed constantly [...] record ... and ... look later You do not get "feedback" if you check later. Real time feedback is different from "next-day analysis".

jasode 5y ago

>yes I read that, but is that a problem? can't you just look down when it's safe? I didn't downvote your comments but have you heard of HUD and why those augmented displays exist in some airplanes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-up_display https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-up_display

endisneigh 5y ago
seems like it's most common in aircrafts. I feel that the situation there is completely different.
- SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
  Yes. Aircraft are much less liable to get hit by something if they look down for a moment.
  - jdavis703 5y ago
    Pilots in a tight formation are very likely to hit someone else if they glance away. Or even hit the ground. I’ve witnessed a pilot crash while flying inverted close to the ground. Certain kinds of flying require an extremely high level of concentration.
- scoopertrooper 5y ago
  Not really, cyclists try to keep a steady cadence as they go along. It'd be quite liberating to be able to keep an eye on how you're tracking without having to regularly glance down at a little computer thing.
  - giva 5y ago
    I think they are more focused on power nowadays. The "screenshot" shows speed, power and distance.
- mannykannot 5y ago
  HUDs are good for when it can be unsafe to look away from what's going on around you. That includes flying in formation, close to the ground or in combat, and cycling.

xcskier56 5y ago

When you’re mountain biking is certainly a problem. Doing intervals or racing on a really tight, twisty, and bumpy trail, not only do you have less time to look at your computer, it’s moving around so much relative to your eyes that it takes a bit longer just find it and focus on it. Sometimes it takes me 2-3 tries to read my heart rate data on especially technical sections. Road biking though, I really struggle to see the value. But it’s cool and like some other post said, bikers will spend exorbitant amounts of money on marginal gains.

jd115 5y ago

Whoever has been teaching everyone that the only way to make money is to "solve a problem" really needs to stop with this nonsense already.

endisneigh 5y ago
nobody claimed that, so i'm not sure why you mention it. you know it's possible for someone to actually just not understand right?

1-more 5y ago

This is for doing interval training. When I go out for a ride for instance I have a file from my training platform (Today's Plan) loaded on my bike computer. It queues me to the intervals I'll be doing. Each interval has a target power range (in Watts), heart rate range, and cadence. I can see all those targets and my actual values for those stats on screen at the same time on my bike computer (aka head unit). Glancing down at it is not perfect; I'd love having all this info as a heads up display. I was thinking about switching from glasses to contacts just so I could get sunglasses too, so this is coming out at the right time for me.