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https://us.engoeyewear.com/pages/how-it-works https://us.engoeyewear.com/pages/how-it-works Would have thought that "how it works" would explain the optics par

https://us.engoeyewear.com/pages/how-it-works https://us.engoeyewear.com/pages/how-it-works Would have thought that "how it works" would explain the optics part as obviously just having a screen 1cm from your eye would not work. However without this explanation it looks like a kickstarter scam...

scoopertrooper 5y ago
There are plenty of products on the market that managed to integrate a HUD into a pair of glasses, not least of which being Google Glass.
- AndrewThrowaway 5y ago
  Google Glass required quite considerable optical system with prisms and etc: https://www.varifocals.net/google-glass/ https://www.varifocals.net/google-glass/ Only image I can find on the website that seems to demonstrate anything is maybe this one https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0555/1810/1695/files/Nose_Detail2-min_912x600.jpg https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0555/1810/1695/files/Nose_... So does it project image on the glass? Maybe projects image directly on retina? How does it work? What is the resolution etc? Why not answer these more technical questions in some article further on the website?
- toast0 5y ago
  Google Glass was pretty akward, and was not shown on the lens. You had to look up and to the side to see the display.
nradov 5y ago
Heads up optical displays have been a well understood technology for decades now. Do we really need another explanation of how they work?
- ho_schi 5y ago
  The question is appropriate. Does it use a proprietary closed-source protocol? Wouldn't be a bluetooth-Profile for Displays much better? How about a embedded-Display-Port? We've seen how well open protocals scale looking at true-wireless-headphones and how bad it is closed stuff, like AirPlay and Chromecast.
  - nradov 5y ago
    The ANT+ Extended Display profile would be a good fit here. I don't know whether this product supports it. https://www.thisisant.com/news/new-extended-display-profile-for-heads-up-displays-and-fitness-devices https://www.thisisant.com/news/new-extended-display-profile-...
    - ho_schi 5y ago
      Thanks! And even more interesting, there is Varia Vision: https://www.garmin.com/de-DE/p/530536 https://www.garmin.com/de-DE/p/530536 How I could missed that. It not a glass but an clip to add.
- mdp2021 5y ago
  > a well understood technology ... Do we really need A /set/ of technologies, and for each implementation you want the details. I use Si-OLED with automated transparency set on #000 black.
- KaiserPro 5y ago
  for planes and cars, yeah. But they have the luxury of space, power, distance and weight. its a projector + angled lump of glass, job done. HUDs on glasses however are an active field of development. as noted before, you can't just shove a transparent display in the way and expect it to be readable. You need optics so that the text/detail is focus-able. You need a light source that is ultra efficient, so its bright enough for day light you need some sort of control mechanism for that light source so it can be formed into pixels.
  - mdp2021 5y ago
    The OP proposed that the lack technical details tend to indicate a scam; the reply mentioned that relevant technology is old and this post notices that research is ongoing as problems are definite. Just to be sure: you are aware that commercial products for Augmented Reality at consumer level are already available, right? I do not know many, but the Epson Moverio, obtained years ago, are as mature as I could ever want. With maybe a slightly taller display (not requried, just preferable and achievable) and a more discreet eyeset, perfection.
    - AndrewThrowaway 5y ago
      https://tech.moverio.epson.com/en/bt-30c/ https://tech.moverio.epson.com/en/bt-30c/ If I look at Moverio's website, technical data I can instantly see a few differences from ENGO - Epson provides all kinds of data, I can see prisms in product photos. I can get an idea about actual technical implementation so I have no doubt this is a real thing (also it is Epson) etc etc. I can see numerous youtube videos about the product working and etc. ENGO is just a marketing website. Doesn't show anything like a working product. It is all photoshop and renders. No idea about anything technical. Modal windows popping up. Shopify site where I am buying don't know what. Testimonials from half a year ago. Nothing of user reviews on youtube? I bet you it is a scam. Cmon guys. It is a scam.
    - KaiserPro 5y ago
      > Augmented Reality at consumer level are already available, right? yes, but not on battery power. As someone who is actively working in the field, there are about 5 unsolved problems before practical AR is a thing. (they are: location, display, object detection, audio understanding and power management.) but this really isn't AR in the sense that a lay person would recognise.
mattjaynes 5y ago
Looks interesting, but the modal for 10% off if you give them all your contact data can only be dismissed by clicking the "NO THANKS, I'D RATHER PAY FULL PRICE" link. Does this passive-aggressive dark pattern actually work? For me, it just always leaves a bad taste and impacts my trust in whatever company does this.
- 0xdeadb00f 5y ago
  Ice noticed this dark pattern is _everywhere_. I'm not sure if it does work, however. But I'd be inclined to say it might.
- AndrewThrowaway 5y ago
  No technical information whatsoever plus passive aggressive modals for 10% off. It just doesn't smell good.
aaron695 5y ago
This is the company doing Engo, the tech is oled, reflected off a mirror onto the glasses - https://microoled.net/optical-modules/ https://microoled.net/optical-modules/ A tip off they are semi legit is their demos show data that actually exists. Here it's simple data like speed and other numbers your phone will know. Fake companies like Magic Leap have amazing demos with data that's impossible to create.

scoopertrooper 5y ago

There are plenty of products on the market that managed to integrate a HUD into a pair of glasses, not least of which being Google Glass.

AndrewThrowaway 5y ago
Google Glass required quite considerable optical system with prisms and etc: https://www.varifocals.net/google-glass/ https://www.varifocals.net/google-glass/ Only image I can find on the website that seems to demonstrate anything is maybe this one https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0555/1810/1695/files/Nose_Detail2-min_912x600.jpg https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0555/1810/1695/files/Nose_... So does it project image on the glass? Maybe projects image directly on retina? How does it work? What is the resolution etc? Why not answer these more technical questions in some article further on the website?
toast0 5y ago
Google Glass was pretty akward, and was not shown on the lens. You had to look up and to the side to see the display.

nradov 5y ago

Heads up optical displays have been a well understood technology for decades now. Do we really need another explanation of how they work?

ho_schi 5y ago
The question is appropriate. Does it use a proprietary closed-source protocol? Wouldn't be a bluetooth-Profile for Displays much better? How about a embedded-Display-Port? We've seen how well open protocals scale looking at true-wireless-headphones and how bad it is closed stuff, like AirPlay and Chromecast.
- nradov 5y ago
  The ANT+ Extended Display profile would be a good fit here. I don't know whether this product supports it. https://www.thisisant.com/news/new-extended-display-profile-for-heads-up-displays-and-fitness-devices https://www.thisisant.com/news/new-extended-display-profile-...
  - ho_schi 5y ago
    Thanks! And even more interesting, there is Varia Vision: https://www.garmin.com/de-DE/p/530536 https://www.garmin.com/de-DE/p/530536 How I could missed that. It not a glass but an clip to add.
mdp2021 5y ago
> a well understood technology ... Do we really need A /set/ of technologies, and for each implementation you want the details. I use Si-OLED with automated transparency set on #000 black.
KaiserPro 5y ago
for planes and cars, yeah. But they have the luxury of space, power, distance and weight. its a projector + angled lump of glass, job done. HUDs on glasses however are an active field of development. as noted before, you can't just shove a transparent display in the way and expect it to be readable. You need optics so that the text/detail is focus-able. You need a light source that is ultra efficient, so its bright enough for day light you need some sort of control mechanism for that light source so it can be formed into pixels.
- mdp2021 5y ago
  The OP proposed that the lack technical details tend to indicate a scam; the reply mentioned that relevant technology is old and this post notices that research is ongoing as problems are definite. Just to be sure: you are aware that commercial products for Augmented Reality at consumer level are already available, right? I do not know many, but the Epson Moverio, obtained years ago, are as mature as I could ever want. With maybe a slightly taller display (not requried, just preferable and achievable) and a more discreet eyeset, perfection.
  - AndrewThrowaway 5y ago
    https://tech.moverio.epson.com/en/bt-30c/ https://tech.moverio.epson.com/en/bt-30c/ If I look at Moverio's website, technical data I can instantly see a few differences from ENGO - Epson provides all kinds of data, I can see prisms in product photos. I can get an idea about actual technical implementation so I have no doubt this is a real thing (also it is Epson) etc etc. I can see numerous youtube videos about the product working and etc. ENGO is just a marketing website. Doesn't show anything like a working product. It is all photoshop and renders. No idea about anything technical. Modal windows popping up. Shopify site where I am buying don't know what. Testimonials from half a year ago. Nothing of user reviews on youtube? I bet you it is a scam. Cmon guys. It is a scam.
  - KaiserPro 5y ago
    > Augmented Reality at consumer level are already available, right? yes, but not on battery power. As someone who is actively working in the field, there are about 5 unsolved problems before practical AR is a thing. (they are: location, display, object detection, audio understanding and power management.) but this really isn't AR in the sense that a lay person would recognise.

mattjaynes 5y ago

Looks interesting, but the modal for 10% off if you give them all your contact data can only be dismissed by clicking the "NO THANKS, I'D RATHER PAY FULL PRICE" link. Does this passive-aggressive dark pattern actually work? For me, it just always leaves a bad taste and impacts my trust in whatever company does this.

0xdeadb00f 5y ago
Ice noticed this dark pattern is _everywhere_. I'm not sure if it does work, however. But I'd be inclined to say it might.
AndrewThrowaway 5y ago
No technical information whatsoever plus passive aggressive modals for 10% off. It just doesn't smell good.

aaron695 5y ago

This is the company doing Engo, the tech is oled, reflected off a mirror onto the glasses - https://microoled.net/optical-modules/ https://microoled.net/optical-modules/ A tip off they are semi legit is their demos show data that actually exists. Here it's simple data like speed and other numbers your phone will know. Fake companies like Magic Leap have amazing demos with data that's impossible to create.