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GPD Pocket 3 – Handheld PC with KVM and RS-232
- sschueller 5y agoLooks like the port on the back needs 2 screws to put in the KVM vs the RS232 but that should be easily upgradeable to thumb screws. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdBgJOqIZPg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdBgJOqIZPg
- rsync 5y agoIf the modular IO port has an SCART module I will just die.
- sschueller 5y agoHere is a good "quick" review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsRixkYu5I0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsRixkYu5I0
- dTal 5y agoHah, it really is a Micro PC 2 - it says so on the motherboard! (4:46)
- tyingq 5y agoLooks pretty handy for certain niches. I do wonder how irritating the keyboard layout is when you actually have to use it, since semicolon, colon, quotes, braces/brackets, etc, are located in odd spots.
- GekkePrutser 5y agoDepends how often you use it. If you use it a lot you'll be used to it. Though an 8" form factor probably means the keyboard will be too small to really want to use it when you have a bigger one handy.
- at_a_remove 5y agoI really wanted to like the GPD Pocket 2, after agonizing over buying it, but it turned out that I could not quite deal with the keyboard and was not adjusting to it. And so it sits, unused. I should probably dig it out and make it into a "in case of computational emergency ..." item of last resort. If I could type on this for a while to see, I would likely buy it.
- basicplus2 5y agoKeep the battery charged or it will fail and you will not be able to revive it
- WalterGR 5y agoWhat uses RS-232 these days? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-232 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-232
- jdhawk 5y agoHeadless Equipment with a console.
- rbanffy 5y agoIt’s usually the interface of last resort, when all others were misconfigured into silence.
- prova_modena 5y agoIndustrial equipment like CNC machines.
- ktm5j 5y agoRackmount networking hardware (routers, switches), disk arrays/storage appliances, etc. I work with a lot of equipment that does. It's usually a rj-45 connector on the hardware, but you just use a cable that has rs-232 on one end and rj-45 on the other. The fact that this has an actual rs-232 port makes it really tempting for me to buy one!
- comex 5y agoBut if you're already using a cable that adapts to a different connector, why not just use a USB to RJ-45 serial cable?
- tenebrisalietum 5y agoMy VT-220.
- GekkePrutser 5y agoAnd my VT-520! <3
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- linsomniac 5y agoTL;DR: Tiny laptop with modules so it can act like a KVM (HDMI and USB) or do RS-232 serial, high res display, i7-1195G7 CPU and 16GB RAM, touch screen, stylus, 1TB SSD. Couldn't find a price on it. Looks like it ticks all the boxes for a NetOps dream pocket PC. If you have kind of big pockets.
- sschueller 5y agoPocket 3 - 1195G7: $999 Pocket 3 - 1195G7 + module: $1079 Pocket 3 - N6000: $650 Pocket 3 - N6000 + module: $730 DHL costs included. All IGG backers get a 4096 stylus. From Twitter: https://twitter.com/softwincn/status/1453982767381762054 https://twitter.com/softwincn/status/1453982767381762054
- bitwize 5y agoBig pockets won't be a problem for the people buying this, given the likely asking price...
- tluyben2 5y agoLooks like they listened to indiegogo gpd sponsors like myself for this one. The best I had was the pocket 1, the pocket 2 I sold immediately after, the win3 is a lovely monster for gaming but this looks like a great move. Gpd makes nice machines and Linux is usually supported well, so I might get one.
- dmje 5y agoLongest screen of text in the world, ever, and the "buy now" call to action doesn't work so no idea of price...
- tluyben2 5y agoIt is usually crowdfunding on indiegogo. So maybe that will happen any moment.
- sschueller 5y agoAccording to their twitter, Nov 5th, 10:00AM BEIJING time https://twitter.com/softwincn/status/1456207719069749256?t=vaiwGXBi0q05O2mYZ92SlA&s=19 https://twitter.com/softwincn/status/1456207719069749256?t=v...
- jack1243star 5y agoI appreciate the details, feels like they know what they're doing. (target user, use case, design goals etc.)
- zamadatix 5y agoThe order now button is a bit premature, it isn't schedule to start selling until tomorrow on Indiegogo.
- rbanffy 5y agoSeems quite vanilla Intel. I hope it runs Linux well, but, in this format, the i7 is overkill. The battery must be really limited and an Atom would probably be a better match.
- GekkePrutser 5y agoYeah I bet it will also be temperature constrained in this small form factor, even with the alu enclosure. Especially sitting behind a server rack being blasted by hot exhaust air :D
- amysox 5y agoAmazon lists the GPD Pocket 2 at $730, and that's for half the RAM and a quarter the storage of this one. Draw your own conclusions about how much the Pocket 3 will cost. https://www.amazon.com/Update-8GB-Windows-Portable-Processor-Graphics/dp/B07MMSQ9ZM/ https://www.amazon.com/Update-8GB-Windows-Portable-Processor...
- sschueller 5y agoPocket 3 - 1195G7: $999 Pocket 3 - 1195G7 + module: $1079 Pocket 3 - N6000: $650 Pocket 3 - N6000 + module: $730 DHL costs included. All IGG backers get a 4096 stylus. From Twitter: https://twitter.com/softwincn/status/1453982767381762054 https://twitter.com/softwincn/status/1453982767381762054
- vorpalhex 5y agoModule here is the kvm module?
- sschueller 5y agoI don't know, there appear to exist 3 modules [1], KVM, RS232 and a USB 3 A port. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsRixkYu5I0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsRixkYu5I0
- Kliment 5y agoApparently both kvm and serial
- footlose_3815 5y agoI had a GPD XD that bricked a chunk of it's own circuitry, all of the screen became fuzzy and distorted. All because I cold-reset it while it was on power. I did nothing else to it to make this happen. Amazon accepted the refund, and I look at GPD devices with distrust-by-default now.
- zeronine 5y agoi think you're looking for reviews.ycombinator.con
- aspenmayer 5y agoI would visit this site if only it existed.
- girvo 5y agoI think that would be a legitimately useful sub-site of HN. “Review: <device name>“ with a menu link filter on the main site like Jobs does.
- aspenmayer 5y agoI think so too, but then I think about review spam, spoofed listings, and all kinds of other misaligned incentives that reviews attract. I think if it were as good as HN is on average, it would be an interesting subsite, but the mods and the users create something special on HN scale. I’m just not sure a HN review site would get the love it needs to be better than mediocre. All that said, I’d still read it for the comments.
- ketralnis 5y agoI had a GPD Pocket 1 which was great for about six months until its battery swelled to dangerous proportions and I had to dispose of it. $500 gone :(
- sschueller 5y agoUnlike and Apple (Yes mine is swollen and not under warranty of any kind) device the GPD Pocket 1 is not difficult to open [1] and you could have probably replaced that battery. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTymxvORuZA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTymxvORuZA
- wvenable 5y agoYeah my GPD Pocket 1 battery swelled as well after a year but I was able to pull it out and replace it with a new battery from AliExpress. It's still going strong with the new battery.
- bitwize 5y agoThis is a modern-day Toshiba Libretto which takes design cues from the Framework and I frickin' love it -- on paper. I'm not going to early-adopt the thing but I'm interested to see how it shakes out.
- GekkePrutser 5y agoOr like my old Compaq Contura Aero.. Cool stuff in those days.
- sschueller 5y agoFrom Twitter: https://twitter.com/softwincn/status/1456207719069749256?t=vaiwGXBi0q05O2mYZ92SlA&s=19 https://twitter.com/softwincn/status/1456207719069749256?t=v... "GPD Pocket 3 Indiegogo crowdfunding starts on 5th Nov 2021, 10:00AM BEIJING time 5th Nov 2021, 2:00AM GreenwichMeanTime Total 45 days! 30% off if you back us on Indiegogo. The stylus is free provided but only for IGG backers! IGG page: https://t.co/zEMaOUJfIX https://t.co/zEMaOUJfIX"
- zamadatix 5y agoSeems a little larger than most of their devices. I'm not sure carrying an 8" laptop really gains much from your standard 12" or 13" laptop since in either case you're out of pocket or small pouch territory. I still think the GPD Win 2 was their device witht he best design direction, even if it wasn't a perfect implementation of the goals. 6" was the perfect size for the niche, the gamepad mouse controls were easier to use than the corner touchpad, the keyboard had more buttons, and it was more all purpose. Newer innards and higher quality physical components for the keyboard+gamepad would be killer. The 3 went far too gaming console focused trying to be a Nintendo Switch with a hidden keyboard rather than a computer.
- dTal 5y agoI agree, this is basically a gorgeous and modern netbook loaded with ports. Which is a wonderful product and desperately needed! But not quite as revolutionary as some of their other products. I can't speak to their other products, but the GPD Micro PC is basically a perfect product for what it tries to be. I've never used anything that made such a perfect set of ergonomic decisions. The crazy bastards managed to make a phone-sized laptop that actually works as a laptop. I find the corner touchpad to be extremely usable on the GPD Micro PC, by the way. I haven't tried the Win 2, to be fair, but I find it difficult to picture a joystick nub being more precise.
- zamadatix 5y agoRegarding the joystick !ouse control the way GPD did it was a bit different from your typical "joystick cursor with acceleration" it was more limited linear speed and if you wanted to go faster you held a certain shoulder button. The l and r main shoulder buttons were left and right click and the remaining shoulder button was middle click (or something like this). In that way you had access to do all of the things you would do on a mouse and the speed control was very reactive rather than hoping you hit enough strength on the right portion of an acceleration curve or anything like that. The touchpad isn't bad but it's much more difficult to do certain normal desktop mouse related things like most small track pads are. Particularly when it comes to actions combined with wide motion such as click and drag select then right click.
- csdvrx 5y agoWould fit in my purse and connect to my thunderbolt desktop setup (dual 4k OLED with a nice SK8835 keyboard) I would gladly pay extra for an OLED screen, ECC ram, and a 2nd m2 port to plug a 4G or 5G module. At the moment I'm playing with a WoA (Windows on ARM64) Lumia 950 XL running Windows 10 Pro, it's wonderful to have a Windows Terminal with me at all times to SSH, even if it is a tad slow when opening multiple apps.
- tecleandor 5y agoI'm waiting right now for an Astro Slide 5G transformer that could cover that niche (not sure about the dual screen, but it can do at least one). It can boot either to Android or Linux, and has two usb-c ports (as well as a full qwerty keyboard). Can't say if it will be good or not, as we haven't still received the device from the crowdfounding, but the production has already started so it shouldn't be long.
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- dTal 5y agoThey're running it under their "Pocket" brand, but with its aggressively practical port layout (including RS232!) it looks a like it's being positioned as the long promised successor to the (fabulous) GPD Micro PC. This impression is bolstered by the odd touchpad and mousebutton placement - copied straight from the Micro PC. Which is a bit of a shame, because it sacrifices the thing which made the Micro PC a peerless gamechanger - pocketability (ironically). 8 inches is not a pocketable laptop, it's a standard netbook. Which is fine and nice and doubtless many will love it, but... disappointing. What I really wanted was double battery life and cellular modem so I wouldn't have to carry a phone anymore. I'm getting mixed messages from the touchpad placement as well. That design is perfect for using the computer with your thumbs while walking, and quite awkward for sitting down at a desk. It works fantastically well on the Micro PC, with its clicky thumb keyboard. Yet an 8 inch netbook would seem to be too large for thumb typing. What are the intended ergonomics here? The swappable rear port for all the exotic KVM stuff is a fascinating feature.
- nfriedly 5y agoI have a GPD Win Max, which has about the same size keyboard, and it's a bit awkward at first, but you get used to it pretty quickly.
- int_19h 5y agoI own both the MicroPC and GPD Pocket 2. The difference in size is not that large, IMO. In fact, I did carry the Pocket around in the front pocket of my pants for a while, specifically as a portable but full-featured device. Granted, these were cargo pants, but still.
- dTal 5y agoRight, the Pocket 2 is a diagonal inch bigger than the MicroPC. This is another diagonal inch bigger on top of that. It's definitely not going to fit in my back jeans pocket the way the MicroPC does. It crosses the line from "phone" to "tablet" size.
- karlkloss 5y agoReal RS232 may sound nice, but in the last 15 years or so, I didn't come upon any problem that couldn't be solved by a $5 USB to RS232 converter. And those things don't need any more space in your pocket than a regular RS232 cable.
- 1MachineElf 5y agoLove these features. Just wish it wasn't Windows.
- int_19h 5y agoTheir other devices have had good Linux compatibility. Stock Debian works great on GPD MicroPC, for example.
- perth 5y agoBeware connecting GPD devices to your home or corporate network: https://old.reddit.com/r/gpdwin/comments/8qfvuh/warning_new_gpd_win_2_units_are_shipping_with https://old.reddit.com/r/gpdwin/comments/8qfvuh/warning_new_... https://old.reddit.com/r/gpdwin/comments/n5u1sy/yep_malware_found_on_gpd_win_3 https://old.reddit.com/r/gpdwin/comments/n5u1sy/yep_malware_...
- snvzz 5y agoIt's been a while. Years. Since they were able to point their finger at an "offending binary", you'd think there'd be some published work on analysis of this binary by now. But I couldn't find any. Why?!
- sschueller 5y agoWipe, install Linux
- entropicdrifter 5y agoAgreed, or use a clean debloated Windows image from the community's subreddit
- aspenmayer 5y agoIs there an advantage to using their image, like hard to find/install drivers? I generally always advise people to use first party install media, in this case, via Media Creation Tool.
- mike_d 5y agoI purchased the previous version of their "tech" mini laptop the GPD Micro PC. Most of the preorder/first batch shipped with a defective battery that couldn't charge if it ever dropped to zero. After waiting months for a replacement battery I had to install it myself, only to find out that the replacement battery had the same issue. Tossed the thing in a drawer and haven't tried using it since. Based on the other issues I have seen from r/GPD on Reddit, I think QA/testing is basically non-existent on these products. If you are lucky and get a good one from the factory they aren't bad, but issues are rampant.
- soneil 5y agoInteresting, I didn’t know that was the flaw. The battery in mine lasted less than 3 months, so this doesn’t sound like a coincidence. It’s interesting seeing people sing the praises of the Micro, I treat it as a lesson learnt.
- fuzzy2 5y agoHuh, that doesn't sound like something I'd want rotting in a drawer! Haven't had any batteries actually explode/burn but saw many that (physically) broke their devices when they bloated.
- unsignedint 5y agoSame deal, although mine was out of the warranty window when this started happening. (A slightly over a year.) Removed the battery and was just using it on AC power. And then the hinge holding the display broke (seems to be another common problem too...) I'm not impressed by their build quality...
- theodric 5y agoIt's typical Chinese crap. My GPD Pocket came with pressure marks on the LCD backlight out of the box. I got it swapped under warranty. The promised 12-hour battery life is more like 1, which is a shame, because the thing is so slow that you'll need the extra battery life to get anything done. It lives in a drawer now.
- emsy 5y agoI have an iPad with a Magic Keyboard that looks quite similar if you squint (albeit a bit bigger). But I can probably do a fraction of the things on it that the GDP will be able to do. I wonder why? Better hardware? Makes you wonder.
- IOT_Apprentice 5y agoI would think that an iPad would be faster and with someone designing/building USB C based serial port connector would be a better solution. Especially if a formal KVM Hypervisor was built to run on the iPad and you could load the Linux OS of your choice that way with drivers to support utilization of the USB-C port on the iPad for hardware connectivity/sensors.
- glonq 5y agoPhrasing and grammar quirks on that website suggest that they should have spent a few extra bucks on an English-native writer or proofreader.
- loxias 5y agoMakes me miss OQO.
- z3t4 5y agoSite difficult to brows on mobile. Order button doesnt work. Nice features though, dont have to move around a screen when connecting to a server...
- ok123456 5y agoI owned a Pocket 1, and I'm still bitter about it. After about a year of light use, the battery swelled up. Replacement batteries were out of stock and never replaced. The response was like, "Uh yeah old model. Sorry."
- jdshaffer 5y agoSimilar experience here. Pocket 1, light use... CPU had some kind of flaw which took months to get fixed and returned... then the battery swelled so bad it cracked the motherboard. They sure LOOK nice on the webpage, but I won't put any more money into one.
- jbj 5y agoI spent money on planet computers gemini, which I have been happy with, but one thing that came to a surprise to me was how the whole keyboard layout ecosystem works. If going into a remote desktop, the remote machine needs to support the layout of whatever device you use. If you plan to use it for coding, better verify before relying on it.
- sschueller 5y agoYeah, I have one too but the battery just sucks and Linux support is limited. Haven't used it much sadly...
- jbj 5y agoI honestly didnt have issues with the battery. Regarding their debian version, it was usable enough, but not user friendly emough, and getting window manager, decoration to handle maximized was such a puzzle. I ended up with android 8.1 without their menu bar, it is okay for writing mails, or light termux stuff. but my main issues are missing keyboard layout on remote desktops and concerns about lagging security updates.
- chx 5y ago> Intel Pentium Silver N6000 Still Intel Atom. I will pass. My One Mix Yoga 2S has a proper Core processor.
- GekkePrutser 5y agoHuh nice, I like this idea. KVM to access servers, serial port, actual ethernet <3 wow. This is really cool. One thing that would be slightly nicer would be if the KVM and RS232 would both be present at the same time but at least it looks like they include both (unlike toughbooks where you have to shell out for that stuff). I wonder if it's a "real" serial port though, or just a USB-serial converter. I wonder about the price though because the "Order now" just redirects to the same page.
- arthurcolle 5y agoIf I back them on Indiegogo, how long until I actually receive it physically, based on their shipping/manufacturing timeline from the first Win Max as well as the Pocket 1 + Pocket 2 models? Approximate timeline is fine
- chunsj 5y agoHandheld PC should have the size of comfortable thumb typing. This is just mini laptop, not a handheld PC.
- needle0 5y agoFirst the Framework Laptop and now this? Swappable modules seem to be in vogue (though they don't seem to be cross-compatible).
- nsonha 5y agowonder if it passes USB peripherals through that KVM module, although it's likely just wishful thinking. One of the pain of having multiple computers, as owner of this device is likely, is to have to unplug and plug them everytime you switch
- causi 5y agoI really wish it had a thumb trackstick instead of that silly micro-touchpad.
- hooby 5y agoObviously, this has more powerful hardware than the Pocket 2 - but to me, it feels less appealing than the Pocket 2 in every other aspect. Most noticeably size. It's significantly larger and thicker than the Pocket 2 - and size is the one standout feature of the Pocket. The size is what makes it unique.