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The Pentagon’s view of climate change and the risks of state collapse
- _red 5y agoAt the recent COP26 in Scotland, they flew in 80+ EV to parade around in...however there wasn't enough charging stations to charge the vehicles so they had to find a fleet of petrol powered generators. This is a perfect microcosm of the state of the ongoing climate crisis scam.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 5y agoWhat's the scam? There's no climate crisis? Or today's world leaders are just hypocrite because they care more about their own acquaintance's interest/power/money than the future of our climate? If the latter, why not decry the leaders' behavior / ideology?
- Proven 5y agoWhat crisis?
- eckmLJE 5y agoIsn't it actually a perfect microcosm of political theater and failure to address a real crisis?
- jjulius 5y agoYeah, it's that.
- tomrod 5y agoThe occurrence and events of climate change are not a scam. The response can feel like one, such as in the situation you described.
- ASalazarMX 5y agoFortunately Mexico will be safe because it will change into a big desert, so we'll have no risk of a invasion for resources. ... wait a minute.
- Proven 5y agoMerely stopping climate changes won't be enough to stop the invasion. You'd need to vote Sleepy Joe out of the White House.
- throwaway803453 5y agoWell, I'll take the bait. Personally I never understood how political views on border security were anti-correlated with the belief climate change will affect food and water security. I recently purchased a SoCal property that is 400ft from the ocean despite knowing about sea level rise, but it's also just an 8hour walk to Mexico. Doubtful I would have purchased it if we didn't have a border wall in Tijuana as I am not bullish on things getting better in Central America in the next 2 decades due to climate change. But I am fairly confident that the rising sea level will not be a problem for this property (it's 2.2meters above sea level) in the next 2 decades at least according to the IPCC and NOAA predictions. Although a bad El Nino could strike any year so who knows.
- setpatchaddress 5y agoGenuinely curious: what is your actual, concrete security concern with not having a border wall? What do you perveive that to actually protect you, personally, from?
- throwaway803453 5y agoMy bad, I shouldn't have taken the bait. What could I possibly add to a conversation about security that you couldn't do on your own as a simple thought experiment.
- eloff 5y agoOne need look no further than the recent refugee crises in Europe to see what could easily result without strong border security. We are talking of a future where that level of mass migration will seem like small potatoes. A wall being merely one part of a secure border, by itself it would do little.
- syngrog66 5y agoI work on a side project related to these kinds of risks. a range of them like this
- ksml 5y agoI'd love to hear more
- dogman144 5y agoI read Ministry for the Future lately, and minor faults aside, the book made me take climate change seriously-seriously. I’m not sure what I’d do about engaging with that yet though with my current career path*. B/t reading that book and it reflected in news like this and related events at the COP, seems like we’re in for a rough go.
- claytoneast 5y agoI'm reading this book right now, and it doesn't make me enthused for the future. But I'm all over the place, I never know what level of doom-thinking to accept for climate change.
- tuatoru 5y agoMaybe this will help the calibration: the problem is a political one. We have the needed technology, and we know how and how much to apply it.
- hammock 5y agoFrom Wikipedia: "the novel follows a subsidiary body, established under the Paris Agreement, whose mission is to advocate for the world's future generations of citizens as if their rights are as valid as the present generation's." Is Climate Change the only threat that the body looks at, or do they look at other threats such as corporate power structures, abortion etc?
- thriftwy 5y agoJust wondering what's the abortion risk to?
- yeaman1231 5y ago"whose mission is to advocate for the world's future generations of citizens as if their rights are as valid as the present generation's." pretty clear that the implication is right to life of a human being > right to privacy of mother edit: fetus -> being
- s3tz 5y agoSigh, so how much money do they want?
- chrisco255 5y agoIf we ever suffer dire consequences from climate change it will be a return to ice age conditions that do it, and not mild warming. Mild warming and CO2 have been almost universally good for humanity, causing a greening of the planet from the fertilization effect, improved agricultural productivity, and far better growing conditions than what occurred during the Little Ice Age between ~1250 and ~1850. [1] ‘Man-made Ice Age’ Worries Scientists (1973) https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tfZNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HYsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=939,1267359 https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tfZNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HYsD... [2] NOAA 1974 - Global Cooling Will Starve the World http://www.populartechnology.net/2016/06/noaa-1974-global-cooling-will-starve.html?m=1 http://www.populartechnology.net/2016/06/noaa-1974-global-co... [3] International Team of Specialists Finds No End in Sight to 30‐Year Cooling Trend in Northern Hemisphere (1974) https://www.nytimes.com/1978/01/05/archives/international-team-of-specialists-finds-no-end-in-sight-to-30year.html https://www.nytimes.com/1978/01/05/archives/international-te... Remember citizen, stay terrified, and obey your experts.
- newaccount2021 5y agothe DoD is the single largest institutional polluter on the planet...so if they're quite concerned with climate change, they can start by fixing themselves
- thehappypm 5y agoSource?
- marocan 5y agosouce = basic logic and generally known facts
- thehappypm 5y agoWow
- codyb 5y agoIf the DoD disappeared tomorrow, wouldn’t pretty much the entire world immediately build up their militaries? They are heavy polluters, and I certainly hope they do everything in their charge to clean up as best they can, but if the entire world under the USAF’s umbrella suddenly lacked that support, I’d suspect you’d see quite the carbon emissions from the immediate arms build ups and regional conflicts. It’s not like the rest of the world just loves peace, we don’t really exist in some sort of vacuum unfortunately.
- Goety 5y ago>If the DoD disappeared tomorrow, wouldn’t pretty much the entire world immediately build up their militaries? The people who want the first part to happen also want the second.