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Please be more specific. Regardless of whether there was a secondary motive of purging political opponents, are you saying that it was ineffective in actually a

Please be more specific. Regardless of whether there was a secondary motive of purging political opponents, are you saying that it was ineffective in actually addressing corruption? Can you show some data?

Markoff 5y ago
it's ineffective if you replace one corrupted opponent with corrupted friend, that's not anti-coruption campaign by my standards, that's just purging opponents, because you are not really improving things, makes almost as much sense as war on drugs
- FooBarWidget 5y ago
  Where is the data that shows that the replacements are also corrupt?
  - Markoff 5y ago
    good luck finding data in China, where even own premier doesn't believe them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Keqiang_index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Keqiang_index
    - FooBarWidget 5y ago
      Okay so your opinion is complete speculation. Got it.
      - Markoff 5y ago
        yes, complete speculation and years of dealing with chinese offices and businesses
  - nradov 5y ago
    That's like asking for data on the levels of corruption in a mafia family. No one is allowed to gather such data, but it's pretty obvious that the corruption at higher levels approaches 100%.
    - FooBarWidget 5y ago
      That assertion rests on the assumption that the Chinese government is like a mafia family. That premise requires evidence. As I mentioned in another reply to you, I disagree with this premise and I gave my reasons why. I even question the assertion that no one is allowed to gather data about the government's conduct or performance. The research "Sources of Authoritarian Responsiveness: A Field Experiment in China" [1] did exactly this. [1] https://china.ucsd.edu/_files/pe-2014/10062014_Paper_Jen_Pan.pdf https://china.ucsd.edu/_files/pe-2014/10062014_Paper_Jen_Pan...
AussieWog93 5y ago
From what I've heard, purging opponents was not the secondary motive but the primary.
- FooBarWidget 5y ago
  I think of it rather as killing two birds in one stone.

Markoff 5y ago

it's ineffective if you replace one corrupted opponent with corrupted friend, that's not anti-coruption campaign by my standards, that's just purging opponents, because you are not really improving things, makes almost as much sense as war on drugs

FooBarWidget 5y ago
Where is the data that shows that the replacements are also corrupt?
- Markoff 5y ago
  good luck finding data in China, where even own premier doesn't believe them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Keqiang_index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Keqiang_index
  - FooBarWidget 5y ago
    Okay so your opinion is complete speculation. Got it.
    - Markoff 5y ago
      yes, complete speculation and years of dealing with chinese offices and businesses
- nradov 5y ago
  That's like asking for data on the levels of corruption in a mafia family. No one is allowed to gather such data, but it's pretty obvious that the corruption at higher levels approaches 100%.
  - FooBarWidget 5y ago
    That assertion rests on the assumption that the Chinese government is like a mafia family. That premise requires evidence. As I mentioned in another reply to you, I disagree with this premise and I gave my reasons why. I even question the assertion that no one is allowed to gather data about the government's conduct or performance. The research "Sources of Authoritarian Responsiveness: A Field Experiment in China" [1] did exactly this. [1] https://china.ucsd.edu/_files/pe-2014/10062014_Paper_Jen_Pan.pdf https://china.ucsd.edu/_files/pe-2014/10062014_Paper_Jen_Pan...

AussieWog93 5y ago

From what I've heard, purging opponents was not the secondary motive but the primary.

FooBarWidget 5y ago
I think of it rather as killing two birds in one stone.