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Businesses exclude people all the time. E.g. many videos are geoblocked, and there's no way to view or purchase them in some countries. Here are some other exa

Businesses exclude people all the time. E.g. many videos are geoblocked, and there's no way to view or purchase them in some countries. Here are some other examples: I can use free version of Google Colab from Ukraine, but I can't pay for Pro version. (I can pay for Google Cloud, though.) OpenAI blocks API dashboard access to IP addresses from Ukraine. (But it is OK if I use VPN LOL.) So it seems blocking ppl is the norm. I guess "diversity and inclusion" is mostly about social topics within US, not about not excluding people.

skydhash 5y ago
Cry in Haiti
- cto_of_antifa 5y ago
  This sentiment is sad, to be honest. Not for the hypothetical actual Haitian people that deserve normal respect that your comment flipantly uses as a gag insult, but because it betrays a perverse resistance to even considering the possibility that having any sort of interaction with people in the larger world might, in fact, make your own internal world better, more knowledgeable, and expose you to things you could never even imagine without doing so. It's possible that you'll never get to be that person unless you let yourself self-consciously deconstruct what brought you here, in all honesty, inside yourself, and actually make the decision to grow a little bit. And if you feel like you should double down and die on this hill, that's not just a big yikes - it's kind of self-destructive, ultimately. The kind of situation where if it weren't so clearly done outside external influence, it would be the kind of thing one might pity you for.
londons_explore 5y ago
In general it's about not accidentally excluding people. All the cases you propose are deliberate blocks for various (mostly legal) reasons. The deliberate blocks are considered in the review, and as long as there is a sound business case for launching with the exclusion, it goes ahead.
- j16sdiz 5y ago
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dustintrex 5y ago
You're running into US sanctions issues (Crimea), not woke Google policy.
- 1cvmask 5y ago
  Some people call US foreign policy woke imperialism.
- gsich 5y ago
  Doesn't matter. Also sanctions are not against Ukraine, that would be stupid.
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    > Also sanctions are not against Ukraine, that would be stupid. The sanctions explicitly include Ukraine, due to financial entanglements between Ukrainian and Russian corporations[1]. [1]: https://www.state.gov/ukraine-and-russia-sanctions/ https://www.state.gov/ukraine-and-russia-sanctions/
    - jfrunyon 5y ago
      Your link: > authorizes sanctions on individuals and entities > a number of Russian and Ukrainian entities > sanctions on individuals and entities > impose sanctions on those persons etc... Your claim: > The sanctions explicitly include Ukraine Your claim is false by your own "evidence". The sanctions are not on Ukraine, they are on a few people in Ukraine.
    - Kranar 5y ago
      I went over the link and it does not explicitly include Ukraine. Instead it explicitly lists out the specific individuals and entities subject to the sanctions in this incredibly long and detailed list: https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/sdnlist.txt https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/sdnlist.txt All your link does is reference the rationale for why certain individuals and entities are part of the SDN list, namely violating the territorial integrity of Ukraine, but no where in anything you've linked to does it state that Ukraine is in general subject to sanctions.
deanCommie 5y ago
> social topics within US I loved having conversations with Europeans like this when I spent a few years living in Western Europe. "Sexism and Racism are US-invented concepts. We don't have that here" Oh, honey. And yet you also tell me in the same conversation "It's not racist to assume a black person i meet is a drug dealer. It's just statistics." In your case, Just because Ukraine doesn't have black people doesn't mean you don't have your own problems with racism and sexism. You just don't need to worry about itright now when you have to worry about Russia invading your country. Your problems are about fundamental survival - totally different spot on the manslow hierarchy of needs. So you should hope that in a few years the situation improves enough that you can start worrying about the same issues as The West.
- randallsquared 5y ago
  To this random bystander, this comes across as deeply condescending, in case you didn't intend it that way.
- j16sdiz 5y ago
  Of course racism is everywhere. But the “diversity review” is so US-centric that it never capture other forms of racism. Learning about the America-Latino-Black history, while being silent about more local (non-American) issues are just “inclusive drama”
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  - eru 5y ago
    I came in contact with Facebook wide internal 'diversity' campaigns that were blatantly US centric---while working for Facebook in South East Asia..
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- d1a2n 5y ago
  L0L. This might be a new level of wokeism. Virtue signalling via condescending, taunting language directed towards someone the woke has identified as dealing with more significant problems than themselves. Truly brave and stunning. Praise George Floyd, most deserving martyr.
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skydhash 5y ago

Cry in Haiti

cto_of_antifa 5y ago
This sentiment is sad, to be honest. Not for the hypothetical actual Haitian people that deserve normal respect that your comment flipantly uses as a gag insult, but because it betrays a perverse resistance to even considering the possibility that having any sort of interaction with people in the larger world might, in fact, make your own internal world better, more knowledgeable, and expose you to things you could never even imagine without doing so. It's possible that you'll never get to be that person unless you let yourself self-consciously deconstruct what brought you here, in all honesty, inside yourself, and actually make the decision to grow a little bit. And if you feel like you should double down and die on this hill, that's not just a big yikes - it's kind of self-destructive, ultimately. The kind of situation where if it weren't so clearly done outside external influence, it would be the kind of thing one might pity you for.

londons_explore 5y ago

In general it's about not accidentally excluding people. All the cases you propose are deliberate blocks for various (mostly legal) reasons. The deliberate blocks are considered in the review, and as long as there is a sound business case for launching with the exclusion, it goes ahead.

j16sdiz 5y ago
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dustintrex 5y ago

You're running into US sanctions issues (Crimea), not woke Google policy.

1cvmask 5y ago
Some people call US foreign policy woke imperialism.
gsich 5y ago
Doesn't matter. Also sanctions are not against Ukraine, that would be stupid.
- woodruffw 5y ago
  > Also sanctions are not against Ukraine, that would be stupid. The sanctions explicitly include Ukraine, due to financial entanglements between Ukrainian and Russian corporations[1]. [1]: https://www.state.gov/ukraine-and-russia-sanctions/ https://www.state.gov/ukraine-and-russia-sanctions/
  - jfrunyon 5y ago
    Your link: > authorizes sanctions on individuals and entities > a number of Russian and Ukrainian entities > sanctions on individuals and entities > impose sanctions on those persons etc... Your claim: > The sanctions explicitly include Ukraine Your claim is false by your own "evidence". The sanctions are not on Ukraine, they are on a few people in Ukraine.
  - Kranar 5y ago
    I went over the link and it does not explicitly include Ukraine. Instead it explicitly lists out the specific individuals and entities subject to the sanctions in this incredibly long and detailed list: https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/sdnlist.txt https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/sdnlist.txt All your link does is reference the rationale for why certain individuals and entities are part of the SDN list, namely violating the territorial integrity of Ukraine, but no where in anything you've linked to does it state that Ukraine is in general subject to sanctions.

deanCommie 5y ago

> social topics within US I loved having conversations with Europeans like this when I spent a few years living in Western Europe. "Sexism and Racism are US-invented concepts. We don't have that here" Oh, honey. And yet you also tell me in the same conversation "It's not racist to assume a black person i meet is a drug dealer. It's just statistics." In your case, Just because Ukraine doesn't have black people doesn't mean you don't have your own problems with racism and sexism. You just don't need to worry about itright now when you have to worry about Russia invading your country. Your problems are about fundamental survival - totally different spot on the manslow hierarchy of needs. So you should hope that in a few years the situation improves enough that you can start worrying about the same issues as The West.

randallsquared 5y ago
To this random bystander, this comes across as deeply condescending, in case you didn't intend it that way.
j16sdiz 5y ago
Of course racism is everywhere. But the “diversity review” is so US-centric that it never capture other forms of racism. Learning about the America-Latino-Black history, while being silent about more local (non-American) issues are just “inclusive drama”
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- eru 5y ago
  I came in contact with Facebook wide internal 'diversity' campaigns that were blatantly US centric---while working for Facebook in South East Asia..
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d1a2n 5y ago
L0L. This might be a new level of wokeism. Virtue signalling via condescending, taunting language directed towards someone the woke has identified as dealing with more significant problems than themselves. Truly brave and stunning. Praise George Floyd, most deserving martyr.

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