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> IMHO, Edge is the best chromium based browser out there Closed source web browser? Not really all that interested tbh.

by e12e 5y ago

drdeca 5y ago
Sure, but, while presumably very similar, isn’t the source for chrome slightly different from the open-source chromium, and not public? (Does chrome have a setting to disable all DRM plugins like firefox does?)
- e12e 5y ago
  This is (one reason) why I run chromium, not chrome. Opera at least used to have a (fast, standards compliant) unique render engine and a snappy email client. Beyond IE-mode, I don't se why I would prefer Edge to Chromium. That said, I'm happy to see first party support for Linux. But for me, being able to run SQL Server is much more useful than Edge.
GhettoComputers 5y ago
Closed source with MS tracking and spying from the network logs. There seems to be an army of MS fanbois that angrily downvote any comments critical of crappy MS products in the thread.
- _fat_santa 5y ago
  I freaking love the new Edge browser, but I only use it on my work machine where I could care less about spying and tracking. I really hope that MS will open source the edge browser at some point. I would love a "Edgium" or "UnMicrosofted" version of Edge that I can use on personal machines. Vertical tabs are awesome.
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    Probably not as good but https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tree-style-tab/oicakdoenlelpjnkoljnaakdofplkgnd https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tree-style-tab/oic... https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/verticaltabs/imimolldggofidcmfdkcffpjcgaggoaf https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/verticaltabs/imimo...
    - bloblaw 5y ago
      Sadly, they aren't even close to what Edge offers. My main browser is Firefox with Sidebery. That's what Chrome should copy. Edge's vertical tabs are the next best thing...especially when you need a chromium based browser. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/
      - mdekkers 5y ago
        Thanks! I’ve been using tree style tabs forever, but sidebery looks nice, I’ll give it a try!
  - marcodiego 5y ago
    That probably will not happen. Edge is not open source.
  - darksfall 5y ago
    I feel this is necessary here: https://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw https://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw
- bloblaw 5y ago
  For me it's a trade-off between Google and Microsoft. Nobody would ever confuse me for a Microsoft fan-boy, but I personally feel more comfortable with sharing telemetry data (which both Google and Microsoft collect) with a software and services company than an advertising company. More than 80% of Google's revenue comes from advertising (source cited below). The majority of Microsoft's revenue comes from cloud services, Office, and Windows. But I understand Microsoft has a trust gap with many folks, based on their anti-OSS activity of the late 90's and early 00's, and I'm glad we are all free to choose. The only major browser (by market share) that is truly open-source is still Mozilla Firefox. source: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/18/how-does-google-make-money-advertising-business-breakdown-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/18/how-does-google-make-money-a... source: https://www.geekwire.com/2020/filing-shows-microsoft-really-making-money-reveals-m-adds-netflix-hulu-tencent-list-rivals/ https://www.geekwire.com/2020/filing-shows-microsoft-really-...
  - eikenberry 5y ago
    Why not skip trading off completely and just use Firefox?
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      Says whom? It also tracks you. https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/firefox.html https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/firefox.html
      - chayleaf 5y ago
        it tracks you less, and the tracking can be disabled. You could always go for librewolf ungoogled chromium, maybe brave, or whatever else you desire
        GhettoComputers 5y ago
        But still tracks and gives me a headache setting it up when I could use ungoogled chromium instead which with no effort doesn't track me. Why do you think Brave doesn't track you? Who or what told you that, and why do you believe it doesn't?
chasil 5y ago
OpenBSD maintains a chromium fork that is outfitted with pledge() and unveil(), and Edge belongs in that package repository with similar safety features. Edge should do what is necessary to get there, and this means opening the source.
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bloblaw 5y ago
You do realize Google Chrome is closed source, right? > Unlike Chromium, Chrome is not open-source, so its binaries are licensed as freeware under the Google Chrome Terms of Service. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Branding_and_licensing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Brandin... I greatly prefer Firefox to Edge or Chrome, but unfortunately the world we live in is where some websites only work in Chrome, or corporate functionality requires plugins that only work in Chrome.
- e12e 5y ago
  Hence, I run chromium, not chrome. (ed: and Firefox).
  - toyg 5y ago
    Using Chromium is a bit like buying chicken meat from a farmer because it gives you that nice feeling of "local fare" and "doing good"; meanwhile, the farmer sources that meat from the same gigantic poultry business that supplies all supermarkets, with chickens kept in squalid conditions.
    - ranguna 5y ago
      I don't think that analogy is very good because your can't open source chickens.. Either way, I recommend librewolf, it's an amazing up to date Firefox fork with all the telemetry stripped out.
      - toyg 5y ago
        Yeah, it's just about the fact that the overall negative system continues to be enabled by supposedly-virtuous actions. Google working in the open doesn't change the fact that in practice they can (and do) steer wherever they want, and promoting the monoculture enables their dominance and abuse of user-data.
Anunayj 5y ago
Though I think I kind of agree, I tried out Edge, and it's actually not bad, too bad it isn't open sourced or I would honestly not mind using it when I'm already using Windows. I still prefer Firefox.

> IMHO, Edge is the best chromium based browser out there Closed source web browser? Not really all that interested tbh.

by e12e 5y ago

> IMHO, Edge is the best chromium based browser out there Closed source web browser? Not really all that interested tbh.

drdeca 5y ago

Sure, but, while presumably very similar, isn’t the source for chrome slightly different from the open-source chromium, and not public? (Does chrome have a setting to disable all DRM plugins like firefox does?)

e12e 5y ago
This is (one reason) why I run chromium, not chrome. Opera at least used to have a (fast, standards compliant) unique render engine and a snappy email client. Beyond IE-mode, I don't se why I would prefer Edge to Chromium. That said, I'm happy to see first party support for Linux. But for me, being able to run SQL Server is much more useful than Edge.

GhettoComputers 5y ago

Closed source with MS tracking and spying from the network logs. There seems to be an army of MS fanbois that angrily downvote any comments critical of crappy MS products in the thread.

_fat_santa 5y ago
I freaking love the new Edge browser, but I only use it on my work machine where I could care less about spying and tracking. I really hope that MS will open source the edge browser at some point. I would love a "Edgium" or "UnMicrosofted" version of Edge that I can use on personal machines. Vertical tabs are awesome.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  Probably not as good but https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tree-style-tab/oicakdoenlelpjnkoljnaakdofplkgnd https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tree-style-tab/oic... https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/verticaltabs/imimolldggofidcmfdkcffpjcgaggoaf https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/verticaltabs/imimo...
  - bloblaw 5y ago
    Sadly, they aren't even close to what Edge offers. My main browser is Firefox with Sidebery. That's what Chrome should copy. Edge's vertical tabs are the next best thing...especially when you need a chromium based browser. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/
    - mdekkers 5y ago
      Thanks! I’ve been using tree style tabs forever, but sidebery looks nice, I’ll give it a try!
- marcodiego 5y ago
  That probably will not happen. Edge is not open source.
- darksfall 5y ago
  I feel this is necessary here: https://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw https://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw
bloblaw 5y ago
For me it's a trade-off between Google and Microsoft. Nobody would ever confuse me for a Microsoft fan-boy, but I personally feel more comfortable with sharing telemetry data (which both Google and Microsoft collect) with a software and services company than an advertising company. More than 80% of Google's revenue comes from advertising (source cited below). The majority of Microsoft's revenue comes from cloud services, Office, and Windows. But I understand Microsoft has a trust gap with many folks, based on their anti-OSS activity of the late 90's and early 00's, and I'm glad we are all free to choose. The only major browser (by market share) that is truly open-source is still Mozilla Firefox. source: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/18/how-does-google-make-money-advertising-business-breakdown-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/18/how-does-google-make-money-a... source: https://www.geekwire.com/2020/filing-shows-microsoft-really-making-money-reveals-m-adds-netflix-hulu-tencent-list-rivals/ https://www.geekwire.com/2020/filing-shows-microsoft-really-...
- eikenberry 5y ago
  Why not skip trading off completely and just use Firefox?
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    Says whom? It also tracks you. https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/firefox.html https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/firefox.html
    - chayleaf 5y ago
      it tracks you less, and the tracking can be disabled. You could always go for librewolf ungoogled chromium, maybe brave, or whatever else you desire
      - GhettoComputers 5y ago
        But still tracks and gives me a headache setting it up when I could use ungoogled chromium instead which with no effort doesn't track me. Why do you think Brave doesn't track you? Who or what told you that, and why do you believe it doesn't?

chasil 5y ago

OpenBSD maintains a chromium fork that is outfitted with pledge() and unveil(), and Edge belongs in that package repository with similar safety features. Edge should do what is necessary to get there, and this means opening the source.

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bloblaw 5y ago

You do realize Google Chrome is closed source, right? > Unlike Chromium, Chrome is not open-source, so its binaries are licensed as freeware under the Google Chrome Terms of Service. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Branding_and_licensing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Brandin... I greatly prefer Firefox to Edge or Chrome, but unfortunately the world we live in is where some websites only work in Chrome, or corporate functionality requires plugins that only work in Chrome.

e12e 5y ago
Hence, I run chromium, not chrome. (ed: and Firefox).
- toyg 5y ago
  Using Chromium is a bit like buying chicken meat from a farmer because it gives you that nice feeling of "local fare" and "doing good"; meanwhile, the farmer sources that meat from the same gigantic poultry business that supplies all supermarkets, with chickens kept in squalid conditions.
  - ranguna 5y ago
    I don't think that analogy is very good because your can't open source chickens.. Either way, I recommend librewolf, it's an amazing up to date Firefox fork with all the telemetry stripped out.
    - toyg 5y ago
      Yeah, it's just about the fact that the overall negative system continues to be enabled by supposedly-virtuous actions. Google working in the open doesn't change the fact that in practice they can (and do) steer wherever they want, and promoting the monoculture enables their dominance and abuse of user-data.

Anunayj 5y ago

Though I think I kind of agree, I tried out Edge, and it's actually not bad, too bad it isn't open sourced or I would honestly not mind using it when I'm already using Windows. I still prefer Firefox.