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Safeway in Castro Cuts Hours Due to ‘Off the Charts’ Shoplifting

29 points by kyleblarson 5y ago

havkd 5y ago
Funny that a place where they steal from you has the name of a communist leader.
- linksnapzz 5y ago
  Obligatory Simpsons: Fidel Castro: "Eh, the Americans aren't so bad. They even named a part of San Franciso after me!" Aide: <whispers to Castro> Fidel Castro: "It's full of WHAT!!?"
- x0x0 5y ago
  Castro is named after José Castro, a governor of Alta California and Baja California; and a general.
- kxus 5y ago
  funny that a teenage edgelord doesn't know basic history
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- jonathanhild 5y ago
  It's capitalism that's about stealing.
vineyardmike 5y ago
> Mandelman added that Safeway told him police rarely arrest anyone for a property crime, by the time they make it on the scene. Cities need to be able to properly police. If the police don't do anything about crimes, then people are just going to commit more. I respect and understand there is limited resources the police have to work with, but as the article says, business owners across SF have been asking politicians for more support against petty crimes for a while. I don't have a good solution, but this is a supermarket i'd frequent and would appreciate longer hours.
- icodestuff 5y ago
  I think this is why crime is "falling" in San Francisco. The cops make no arrests, and often don't even take police reports. A few months ago I and everyone else in this store got pepper-sprayed by a shoplifter (the way the security guard told it, a shoplifter attacked a guard with a large can of it which ruptured when he swung at him with it and hit a shelf). I don't even think the police showed up. They weren't there 20 or 40 minutes later when I drove by after going home to clean up. My business partner used to watch burglars in Pacific Heights go door to door and steal packages out of apartment building lobbies. He'd call the police and they'd say thank you but never even sent a car. I was in a hit-and-run accident a few weeks ago, and because I wasn't injured, it was "just a misdemeanor" and they categorically refused to take a report at the station, even though I had dashcam video and the plate number. The SFPD is pretty much entirely useless.
  - rdtwo 5y ago
    It doesn’t have to be this way many small cities have great police departments. It’s just that large cities and especially liberal cities like Seattle and SF have failed police departments that can’t be salvaged
    - vineyardmike 5y ago
      Seattle is no where near that bad. Also the liberalness of a city is a red herring and doesn't have to be related to crime (most big cities are liberal, its part of being a big city). Being a big city means that unless you have enough officers, you just can't handle every case. Seattle is a city with very little crime like homicide or theft or drug trafficking, but lots of homelessness and many people see that and assume there is lots of crime. Homelessness may or may not be a crime, but its not the same sort of crime, its pretty victimless.
      - drak0n1c 5y ago
        My wife and I briefly returned to Seattle for a work event, and she said the two times she stopped by the CVS across the street from the Belltown hotel there was a mass shoplifting in progress with someone emptying shelves into a duffle bag. The week we moved out of state I-5 had multiple incidents of bricks being dropped into traffic. It is getting pretty bad. Before moving, the maintenance man at her prior concierge job was sadly killed by a tenant who had made violent threats, because police resources were not available to accompany evictions due to the ongoing riots and CHAZ nonsense.
alan-crowe 5y ago
I think that some places will go back to Victorian style shops. They had many shop assistants, who were needed because the goods were behind the counter, instead of being on open shelves. Customers had to ask at the counter; no shop-lifting See https://reframingthevictorians.blogspot.com/2013/11/shops-and-lives-of-shop-assistants-in.html https://reframingthevictorians.blogspot.com/2013/11/shops-an...
- kyleblarson 5y ago
  Alternatively they could just enforce the rule of law like most civilized societies do.
  - gremloni 5y ago
    The cops in a lot of cities in the US seem to be completely incompetent at actually enforcing things that matter and go whole hog on enforcement that most of society disagrees with.
    - StanislavPetrov 5y ago
      When it comes to shoplifting the problem is the law, not the cops. In many places there is, in effect, no legal penalty for shoplifting even if "caught". Here in New York shoplifters are not prosecuted. Even if "arrested" they are issued a desk appearance ticket and are back at the same store in hours to shoplift some more.
      - CodeWriter23 5y ago
        Just pointing out that’s not a problem with the law, it’s a problem with enforcement policies (aka select free passes on laws) in most cases enacted by fiat of elected officials.
        keneda7 5y ago
        It is the DA's doing this. Its gotten so bad in SF you have Assistant DAs leaving and joining the recall effort https://abc7news.com/chesa-boudin-recall-brooke-jenkins-san-francisco-da/11167571/ https://abc7news.com/chesa-boudin-recall-brooke-jenkins-san-... In Chicago you have DAs letting shooters that are caught on video go due to "mutual combat". https://abc7chicago.com/kim-foxx-lightfoot-mutual-combatants-combat/11100664/ https://abc7chicago.com/kim-foxx-lightfoot-mutual-combatants... Its out of control and these DAs need to be removed.
joelbondurant 5y ago
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29 points by kyleblarson 5y ago

havkd 5y ago

Funny that a place where they steal from you has the name of a communist leader.

linksnapzz 5y ago
Obligatory Simpsons: Fidel Castro: "Eh, the Americans aren't so bad. They even named a part of San Franciso after me!" Aide: <whispers to Castro> Fidel Castro: "It's full of WHAT!!?"
x0x0 5y ago
Castro is named after José Castro, a governor of Alta California and Baja California; and a general.
kxus 5y ago
funny that a teenage edgelord doesn't know basic history
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jonathanhild 5y ago
It's capitalism that's about stealing.

vineyardmike 5y ago

> Mandelman added that Safeway told him police rarely arrest anyone for a property crime, by the time they make it on the scene. Cities need to be able to properly police. If the police don't do anything about crimes, then people are just going to commit more. I respect and understand there is limited resources the police have to work with, but as the article says, business owners across SF have been asking politicians for more support against petty crimes for a while. I don't have a good solution, but this is a supermarket i'd frequent and would appreciate longer hours.

icodestuff 5y ago
I think this is why crime is "falling" in San Francisco. The cops make no arrests, and often don't even take police reports. A few months ago I and everyone else in this store got pepper-sprayed by a shoplifter (the way the security guard told it, a shoplifter attacked a guard with a large can of it which ruptured when he swung at him with it and hit a shelf). I don't even think the police showed up. They weren't there 20 or 40 minutes later when I drove by after going home to clean up. My business partner used to watch burglars in Pacific Heights go door to door and steal packages out of apartment building lobbies. He'd call the police and they'd say thank you but never even sent a car. I was in a hit-and-run accident a few weeks ago, and because I wasn't injured, it was "just a misdemeanor" and they categorically refused to take a report at the station, even though I had dashcam video and the plate number. The SFPD is pretty much entirely useless.
- rdtwo 5y ago
  It doesn’t have to be this way many small cities have great police departments. It’s just that large cities and especially liberal cities like Seattle and SF have failed police departments that can’t be salvaged
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    Seattle is no where near that bad. Also the liberalness of a city is a red herring and doesn't have to be related to crime (most big cities are liberal, its part of being a big city). Being a big city means that unless you have enough officers, you just can't handle every case. Seattle is a city with very little crime like homicide or theft or drug trafficking, but lots of homelessness and many people see that and assume there is lots of crime. Homelessness may or may not be a crime, but its not the same sort of crime, its pretty victimless.
    - drak0n1c 5y ago
      My wife and I briefly returned to Seattle for a work event, and she said the two times she stopped by the CVS across the street from the Belltown hotel there was a mass shoplifting in progress with someone emptying shelves into a duffle bag. The week we moved out of state I-5 had multiple incidents of bricks being dropped into traffic. It is getting pretty bad. Before moving, the maintenance man at her prior concierge job was sadly killed by a tenant who had made violent threats, because police resources were not available to accompany evictions due to the ongoing riots and CHAZ nonsense.

alan-crowe 5y ago

I think that some places will go back to Victorian style shops. They had many shop assistants, who were needed because the goods were behind the counter, instead of being on open shelves. Customers had to ask at the counter; no shop-lifting See https://reframingthevictorians.blogspot.com/2013/11/shops-and-lives-of-shop-assistants-in.html https://reframingthevictorians.blogspot.com/2013/11/shops-an...

kyleblarson 5y ago
Alternatively they could just enforce the rule of law like most civilized societies do.
- gremloni 5y ago
  The cops in a lot of cities in the US seem to be completely incompetent at actually enforcing things that matter and go whole hog on enforcement that most of society disagrees with.
  - StanislavPetrov 5y ago
    When it comes to shoplifting the problem is the law, not the cops. In many places there is, in effect, no legal penalty for shoplifting even if "caught". Here in New York shoplifters are not prosecuted. Even if "arrested" they are issued a desk appearance ticket and are back at the same store in hours to shoplift some more.
    - CodeWriter23 5y ago
      Just pointing out that’s not a problem with the law, it’s a problem with enforcement policies (aka select free passes on laws) in most cases enacted by fiat of elected officials.
      - keneda7 5y ago
        It is the DA's doing this. Its gotten so bad in SF you have Assistant DAs leaving and joining the recall effort https://abc7news.com/chesa-boudin-recall-brooke-jenkins-san-francisco-da/11167571/ https://abc7news.com/chesa-boudin-recall-brooke-jenkins-san-... In Chicago you have DAs letting shooters that are caught on video go due to "mutual combat". https://abc7chicago.com/kim-foxx-lightfoot-mutual-combatants-combat/11100664/ https://abc7chicago.com/kim-foxx-lightfoot-mutual-combatants... Its out of control and these DAs need to be removed.

joelbondurant 5y ago

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