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I'll take the other side of that argument. In a world where we spend increasingly more time online, sociopaths and other bad actors have been handed far too mu

I'll take the other side of that argument. In a world where we spend increasingly more time online, sociopaths and other bad actors have been handed far too much power/influence and that's net negative for society. Like it or not, the online world has become a public space--The Public Space. And, now we're talking about metaverses that will further immerse us. If someone were to follow a person down a public street, screaming obscenities and generally harassing them, of course we'd want the rightful laws on the books against such a thing to be enforced. Why should this be any different in the online world?

teakettle42 5y ago
> … sociopaths and other bad actors have been handed far too much power/influence and that's net negative for society. Why would you assume that the sociopaths and bad actors wouldn’t be the ones exploiting laws like this to do great harm to those they disagree with?
nradov 5y ago
The San Francisco Police generally don't do anything to stop deranged homeless drug addicts from following people down the street, screaming obscenities and generally harassing them. SF residents seem to be fine with that state of affairs, or at least it doesn't bother them enough to vote to change it. And to be clear I don't intend that as a criticism of SF necessarily. The point is that there is no universal worldwide standard of tolerable behavior, and some people are apparently willing to put up with a lot. Would you be happy if the laws of Saudi Arabia or North Korea were enforced online? They might consider you a sociopath and bad actor.
- unclebucknasty 5y ago
  >The San Francisco Police generally don't do anything to stop deranged homeless... I don't know that that's true, but I think it's pretty clear that homeless, mentally ill drug addicts are a different problem. >The point is that there is no universal worldwide standard of tolerable behavior These arguments always baffle me, as they essentially suggest that nothing means anything and we have no way of determining what a civilized, functioning society should look like. Yet, here we are — with laws and everything. There's a reasonableness standard applied to these things. We apply it for every scenario where gray areas exist. It's also why we have judges, juries and a court system. >Would you be happy if the laws of Saudi Arabia or North Korea were enforced online? I'm missing how the laws of Saudi Arabia or North Korea have anything to do with this case in the UK or a hypothetical one in the US.

teakettle42 5y ago

> … sociopaths and other bad actors have been handed far too much power/influence and that's net negative for society. Why would you assume that the sociopaths and bad actors wouldn’t be the ones exploiting laws like this to do great harm to those they disagree with?

nradov 5y ago

The San Francisco Police generally don't do anything to stop deranged homeless drug addicts from following people down the street, screaming obscenities and generally harassing them. SF residents seem to be fine with that state of affairs, or at least it doesn't bother them enough to vote to change it. And to be clear I don't intend that as a criticism of SF necessarily. The point is that there is no universal worldwide standard of tolerable behavior, and some people are apparently willing to put up with a lot. Would you be happy if the laws of Saudi Arabia or North Korea were enforced online? They might consider you a sociopath and bad actor.

unclebucknasty 5y ago
>The San Francisco Police generally don't do anything to stop deranged homeless... I don't know that that's true, but I think it's pretty clear that homeless, mentally ill drug addicts are a different problem. >The point is that there is no universal worldwide standard of tolerable behavior These arguments always baffle me, as they essentially suggest that nothing means anything and we have no way of determining what a civilized, functioning society should look like. Yet, here we are — with laws and everything. There's a reasonableness standard applied to these things. We apply it for every scenario where gray areas exist. It's also why we have judges, juries and a court system. >Would you be happy if the laws of Saudi Arabia or North Korea were enforced online? I'm missing how the laws of Saudi Arabia or North Korea have anything to do with this case in the UK or a hypothetical one in the US.