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The one that puts the sun where it belongs at 12

asoneth 5y ago
I'd prefer one that fixes the clock to sunrise and lets noon and sunset drift rather than fixing noon and letting sunrise and sunset drift. I could also try and get my coworkers to move our meetings earlier in summer so I can leave work by 3, but for some reason changing a "clock" seems to be more effective than getting people to buy into summer hours and winter hours.
WithinReason 5y ago
Where is that?
- Mindless2112 5y ago
  Closest to zenith, I presume.
- culopatin 5y ago
  Lol I meant the time that better aligns with the position of the sun relative to where you stand.
jedberg 5y ago
For most people, that's never. But standard time would be closer more often than daylight time. The bigger question is why? Now that we have electric lights, why do you want equal daytime before and after noon?
- _ph_ 5y ago
  Well, that is the very definition of noon. Which is handy, as the noon point doesn't move around much (a few minutes) over the year, while in northern latitudes the time of sunrise and set can move by several hours across the year. Noon has no special meaning beyond marking the middle of the daylight. All times are expressed relative to that and of course there is full freedom how to set up common time points like star of office hours, start of school etc.
  - watwut 5y ago
    Noon is not middle of daylight. Not everyone lives in place where that is aligned.
    - _ph_ 5y ago
      Well, sure, as we have time zones, it is not precisely aligned. But all time zones are aligned so that the noon point is somewhere inside them, not outside of the time zone.
- readmorebooks 5y ago
  Noon is generally not midday for most people. Far more stores are open at 7 PM than are open at 5 AM. Far more people are still up at 9 PM than are waking up at 3 AM. And the "9 to 5" song would center the day at 1 PM. It seems that in general society has decided hours after 12 PM are more useful than hours before 12 PM. It's far easier to just change the clocks to have 1 PM be midday, keeping DST year round, than to change society.
  - isolli 5y ago
    I wonder if it was ever so. Did noon mark the middle of the day in traditional societies? If so, when and why did it change?
- WorldMaker 5y ago
  > But standard time would be closer more often than daylight time. On the eastern edges of current time zones. There's a 45-minute to 55-minute difference to cities on the western borders and many of them daylight time would be closer to "natural noon" than standard time.

I'd prefer one that fixes the clock to sunrise and lets noon and sunset drift rather than fixing noon and letting sunrise and sunset drift. I could also try and get my coworkers to move our meetings earlier in summer so I can leave work by 3, but for some reason changing a "clock" seems to be more effective than getting people to buy into summer hours and winter hours.

WithinReason 5y ago

Where is that?

Mindless2112 5y ago
Closest to zenith, I presume.
culopatin 5y ago
Lol I meant the time that better aligns with the position of the sun relative to where you stand.

jedberg 5y ago

For most people, that's never. But standard time would be closer more often than daylight time. The bigger question is why? Now that we have electric lights, why do you want equal daytime before and after noon?

_ph_ 5y ago
Well, that is the very definition of noon. Which is handy, as the noon point doesn't move around much (a few minutes) over the year, while in northern latitudes the time of sunrise and set can move by several hours across the year. Noon has no special meaning beyond marking the middle of the daylight. All times are expressed relative to that and of course there is full freedom how to set up common time points like star of office hours, start of school etc.
- watwut 5y ago
  Noon is not middle of daylight. Not everyone lives in place where that is aligned.
  - _ph_ 5y ago
    Well, sure, as we have time zones, it is not precisely aligned. But all time zones are aligned so that the noon point is somewhere inside them, not outside of the time zone.
readmorebooks 5y ago
Noon is generally not midday for most people. Far more stores are open at 7 PM than are open at 5 AM. Far more people are still up at 9 PM than are waking up at 3 AM. And the "9 to 5" song would center the day at 1 PM. It seems that in general society has decided hours after 12 PM are more useful than hours before 12 PM. It's far easier to just change the clocks to have 1 PM be midday, keeping DST year round, than to change society.
- isolli 5y ago
  I wonder if it was ever so. Did noon mark the middle of the day in traditional societies? If so, when and why did it change?
WorldMaker 5y ago
> But standard time would be closer more often than daylight time. On the eastern edges of current time zones. There's a 45-minute to 55-minute difference to cities on the western borders and many of them daylight time would be closer to "natural noon" than standard time.