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Then half your apps will look blurry because they don’t support scaling, this includes quite a few built in utilities.

by jpablo 5y ago

whatever1 5y ago
When was the last time you used windows? Windows 10 has solved all of these, you need to find and use some old 3rd party apps to have this issue
- gareim 5y ago
  The Netflix Windows app and my 4K monitor at 125% do not work together. The UI elements are tiny and the padding is wrong.
- stronglikedan 5y ago
  There's still some issues if you have multiple monitors with different display scalings, but they have just about solved that too.
- robterrell 5y ago
  Tell that to my Windows 10 install, because it's displaying a hodge-dodge of non-uniformly scaled bullshit. Solved would mean I'm not hacking a scaling factor into the perforce config file to get its window to match the rest of the UI. Solved would mean that Windows handled it for everything drawing windows.
- mlyle 5y ago
  I've been using Windows and hidpi for the past few years & routinely encounter scaling bullshit.
- philjohn 5y ago
  Pretty much any app using bog standard winforms seems to suffer.
- pdpi 5y ago
  I'm on Windows 10 right now, running a 1440p display, and a 4k display at a logical resolution of 1440p. Lots of stuff misbehaves on the scaled 4k display. For a couple of examples: The nVidia Control Panel ignores the scaling on the 4k display and renders tiny text as if the display was set to 4k. GPU-Z looks like a blurry mess.
- breakfastduck 5y ago
  It really has not
- jiveturkey 5y ago
  The last time I used Windows was last night. Unlike Mac where I hold back on updates until they force my hand, I update my Win 10 as soon as it hits the public channel. I can assure you, the problem is far from solved. Whereas on MacOS, not a single app misbehaves. Most apps are 3rd party apps!
- indemnity 5y ago
  I’m on Windows 11 and still regularly see this.
- Groxx 5y ago
  I've been running Win 10 with 150% scaling for a year or so, with fairly light use because I spend easily >10x more time in OSX (where scaling works correctly nigh-universally). Win10 scaling is..... very hit or miss. Various programs are of course all over the place, but some system utilities don't even render correctly. Window size and control placement is mostly correct everywhere, but text? Images? Tooltips? Ooooh boy are those a mess. Maybe like 20% of apps I've ever touched don't render something correctly. That's A LOT of problems. And that's before I start talking about running two screens at different densities. Then it's borderline hilarious how broken things are.
  - oneplane 5y ago
    The worst thing is that scaling isn't applied correctly at all. You can have a taskbar icon with correct scaling that has a tooltip that isn't scaled at all and a context-menu that is scaled correctly but the scaling was also applied to the position so now it floats 50 pixels in the wrong direction. It's an inconsistent mess. Great for people who think inconsistent messes are beneficial for them, not great for other people.
    - Groxx 5y ago
      Taskbar stuff! I totally forgot about that. Yeah, those are very frequently wildly screwed up. I've had their icons squashed weirdly several times, context menus in particular have no rhyme or reason I can discern about how they break (they just do everything imaginable), and a good number just never show their popup content at all. Maybe it's appearing off-screen? It's impossible to tell! Not that stuff in the taskbar is at all stable normally, of course. About half of the time I'm trying some new application out, it'll disappear from the taskbar as I mouse over it, apparently because that portion crashed or something and for some reason windows doesn't detect that until it's moused over. Or sometimes they'll double or triple up for no apparent reason, and mousing over will clear out the duplicates. I can't imagine what leads dozens of applications to have those same kinds of problems, so I'm forced to assume it's at least partly because of Windows.
- qiller 5y ago
  Just on the weekend I ran into Keyshot pretty much ignoring the scaling. Then Rainway installer rendered in some weird scale factor. Then Modern CSV got issues all over the UI. It is far from being solved…
- garaetjjte 5y ago
  You mean old 3rd party apps such as Device Manager?
leokennis 5y ago
This was true in 2016 but not anymore today. I cannot find a single blurry app on my laptop now.
- dkonofalski 5y ago
  I always hate this response. "I don't have this problem, so no one else does either." This all depends on what tools you use on a daily basis. I have some data tools that have scaling problems and they're unique depending on whether you use Windows Server or Windows 10/11. It's one of the cons of Windows having such great backwards compatibility. Some tools just aren't updated in basic ways despite receiving plenty of updates.
  - leokennis 5y ago
    Sure, I'm not saying the problem is completely solved. But for most people using the nth percentile most used tools, the problem is solved. There will always be holdouts or legacy programs that are not HiDPI aware. But if you ask 100 people to list their 10 most used tools, I'd wager a bet that 95% of the unique entries on that list are not blurry when used scaled.
    - breakfastduck 5y ago
      Depends which 100 people, which was the point of the comment you replied to.
    - nitrogen 5y ago
      "[M]ost used tools" are not the things that really annoy people. It's the "least used critical tools" -- the things that you absolutely need to do, but only once every few months. They often involve loading three layers of progressively older control panels. This is a failure brought by the overreliance on data and telemetry to show what is "most used," without regard for what is most important.
      - VRay 5y ago
seanmcdirmid 5y ago
If you just use chrome and visual studio, you won’t run into half of those apps. But ya, any old app that renders directly to a bitmap would have problems if you sneed to use them. I used to write a lot of WPF apps and the resolution independence was a real thing. I guess I just got lucky in that car never used any legacy apps.
shawnz 5y ago
Is that worse than simply not being able to scale the other half of the apps that do work without kludges like this?

Then half your apps will look blurry because they don’t support scaling, this includes quite a few built in utilities.

by jpablo 5y ago

Then half your apps will look blurry because they don’t support scaling, this includes quite a few built in utilities.

When was the last time you used windows? Windows 10 has solved all of these, you need to find and use some old 3rd party apps to have this issue

gareim 5y ago
The Netflix Windows app and my 4K monitor at 125% do not work together. The UI elements are tiny and the padding is wrong.
stronglikedan 5y ago
There's still some issues if you have multiple monitors with different display scalings, but they have just about solved that too.
robterrell 5y ago
Tell that to my Windows 10 install, because it's displaying a hodge-dodge of non-uniformly scaled bullshit. Solved would mean I'm not hacking a scaling factor into the perforce config file to get its window to match the rest of the UI. Solved would mean that Windows handled it for everything drawing windows.
mlyle 5y ago
I've been using Windows and hidpi for the past few years & routinely encounter scaling bullshit.
philjohn 5y ago
Pretty much any app using bog standard winforms seems to suffer.
pdpi 5y ago
I'm on Windows 10 right now, running a 1440p display, and a 4k display at a logical resolution of 1440p. Lots of stuff misbehaves on the scaled 4k display. For a couple of examples: The nVidia Control Panel ignores the scaling on the 4k display and renders tiny text as if the display was set to 4k. GPU-Z looks like a blurry mess.
breakfastduck 5y ago
It really has not
jiveturkey 5y ago
The last time I used Windows was last night. Unlike Mac where I hold back on updates until they force my hand, I update my Win 10 as soon as it hits the public channel. I can assure you, the problem is far from solved. Whereas on MacOS, not a single app misbehaves. Most apps are 3rd party apps!
indemnity 5y ago
I’m on Windows 11 and still regularly see this.
Groxx 5y ago
I've been running Win 10 with 150% scaling for a year or so, with fairly light use because I spend easily >10x more time in OSX (where scaling works correctly nigh-universally). Win10 scaling is..... very hit or miss. Various programs are of course all over the place, but some system utilities don't even render correctly. Window size and control placement is mostly correct everywhere, but text? Images? Tooltips? Ooooh boy are those a mess. Maybe like 20% of apps I've ever touched don't render something correctly. That's A LOT of problems. And that's before I start talking about running two screens at different densities. Then it's borderline hilarious how broken things are.
- oneplane 5y ago
  The worst thing is that scaling isn't applied correctly at all. You can have a taskbar icon with correct scaling that has a tooltip that isn't scaled at all and a context-menu that is scaled correctly but the scaling was also applied to the position so now it floats 50 pixels in the wrong direction. It's an inconsistent mess. Great for people who think inconsistent messes are beneficial for them, not great for other people.
  - Groxx 5y ago
    Taskbar stuff! I totally forgot about that. Yeah, those are very frequently wildly screwed up. I've had their icons squashed weirdly several times, context menus in particular have no rhyme or reason I can discern about how they break (they just do everything imaginable), and a good number just never show their popup content at all. Maybe it's appearing off-screen? It's impossible to tell! Not that stuff in the taskbar is at all stable normally, of course. About half of the time I'm trying some new application out, it'll disappear from the taskbar as I mouse over it, apparently because that portion crashed or something and for some reason windows doesn't detect that until it's moused over. Or sometimes they'll double or triple up for no apparent reason, and mousing over will clear out the duplicates. I can't imagine what leads dozens of applications to have those same kinds of problems, so I'm forced to assume it's at least partly because of Windows.
qiller 5y ago
Just on the weekend I ran into Keyshot pretty much ignoring the scaling. Then Rainway installer rendered in some weird scale factor. Then Modern CSV got issues all over the UI. It is far from being solved…
garaetjjte 5y ago
You mean old 3rd party apps such as Device Manager?

leokennis 5y ago

This was true in 2016 but not anymore today. I cannot find a single blurry app on my laptop now.

dkonofalski 5y ago
I always hate this response. "I don't have this problem, so no one else does either." This all depends on what tools you use on a daily basis. I have some data tools that have scaling problems and they're unique depending on whether you use Windows Server or Windows 10/11. It's one of the cons of Windows having such great backwards compatibility. Some tools just aren't updated in basic ways despite receiving plenty of updates.
- leokennis 5y ago
  Sure, I'm not saying the problem is completely solved. But for most people using the nth percentile most used tools, the problem is solved. There will always be holdouts or legacy programs that are not HiDPI aware. But if you ask 100 people to list their 10 most used tools, I'd wager a bet that 95% of the unique entries on that list are not blurry when used scaled.
  - breakfastduck 5y ago
    Depends which 100 people, which was the point of the comment you replied to.
  - nitrogen 5y ago
    "[M]ost used tools" are not the things that really annoy people. It's the "least used critical tools" -- the things that you absolutely need to do, but only once every few months. They often involve loading three layers of progressively older control panels. This is a failure brought by the overreliance on data and telemetry to show what is "most used," without regard for what is most important.
    - VRay 5y ago

seanmcdirmid 5y ago

If you just use chrome and visual studio, you won’t run into half of those apps. But ya, any old app that renders directly to a bitmap would have problems if you sneed to use them. I used to write a lot of WPF apps and the resolution independence was a real thing. I guess I just got lucky in that car never used any legacy apps.

shawnz 5y ago

Is that worse than simply not being able to scale the other half of the apps that do work without kludges like this?