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This is the same administration that claimed we saved $0.49 on a 4th of July BBQ this year, bec they cut out all the meat compared to the BBQ last year. I’m sor

by vxNsr 5y ago

This is the same administration that claimed we saved $0.49 on a 4th of July BBQ this year, bec they cut out all the meat compared to the BBQ last year. I’m sorry but you can explain all you want. I’m not buying it (at any price)

Dylan16807 5y ago
Where? I'm searching that number and I can't find anything. I found this, which is comparing the same quantities and has five pounds of meat. https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1410709115333234691 https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1410709115333234691 There's a bunch of complaints about other prices, and people pointing out the prices are up 8% since 2019, but I don't see anything about "cutting out all the meat" and I don't see the number 49 anywhere. And the ground beef had the second biggest percent drop in price in that list, anyway.
- notafraudster 5y ago
  The Tweet you noted is the official tweet on this. The parent quote is relying on existing "rebuttals" of that post by conservatives, which have eventually become broken telephone to the degree that the parent comment believes Joe Biden banned meat to falsely reduce the cost of July 4th. It's funny because the actual quote is stupid enough -- trying to emphasize some marginal rounding error national savings on 5 pounds of meat when the entire world has been exploded for the last two years is a baffling claim and an obvious attempt to put lipstick on the whole situation, these guys are absolute clowns, and the April-onwards hubris of "COVID's over, we saved the day!!!" is just a national embarrassment. The specific "ban meat" bugbear has been a very active talking point among conservatives. You see, the Green New Deal (which is predicted in the book of Revelation) involves Andrea McDonald-Cortisol personally banning you from eating meat. The ground truth at the heart of it is that the Green New Deal, which is as much an expression of intent as it is an actual policy document, correctly notes that cattle raised for beef contribute to greenhouse gasses (both through methane production, CO2 production, and clear-cutting of valuable carbon sinks to produce grazeland). This is of course indisputably true. The document doesn't actually prescribe any restrictions on meat so much as it acknowledges that the size of meat's contribution to our climate economics makes it unlikely we'll hit long term targets without rethinking our relationship with meat. Compound that with the fact that some liberals, including Barack Hussein Obama's awful wife!!!!, did initiatives like a "meatless monday", and you have all the proof you need that liberals are banning your meat. It is less clear to me who is the first particular commentator to combine the "Biden is going to ban meat (and guns, and god, and everything else you hold dear, which is not a surprise because he stole the election, and he's senile)" argument and the "Biden claimed the 4th of July will be cheaper which is false because we have Zimbabwe level inflation" argument. A few random sources of very concerned RW commentators talking about liberals taking away your meat, all before the present controversy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/03/01/latest-right-wing-attack-democrats-they-want-take-away-your-hamburgers/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/03/01/latest-righ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/26/republicans-meat-biden-climate-plan/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/26/republicans... https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/26/politics/fact-check-biden-climate-plan-red-meat-hamburger/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/26/politics/fact-check-biden...
  - angelzen 5y ago
    As a commentary on the power of information bubbles, I weakly follow a handful of conservative figures. Yet this is the first time I hear about this particular Joe Biden comment, forget about him banning meat to accomplish the feat. Funny enough, I just noticed that your sources are liberals dunking on conservatives. Oh dear, this is as far deep down the partisan insanity of contemporary US discourse as I'm willing to go.
  - vxNsr 5y ago
    Lol. That’s quite the strawman you built me up to be. I saw the original tweet back when it was posted, I just remembered previous years had buns for those burgers, I misremembered what they had taken out and commented off the cuff. No where did I say I thought Biden was taking away my meats (smoked or otherwise), I’m not really sure how to respond to any of the other lies you posted about me but to call them outright lies that shouldn’t be part of any civil conversation between two human beings that don’t know each other. It strikes me that you came up with a conspiracy about me to lampoon right wing conspiracy theorists. Who really is more ready to believe lies?
- listenallyall 5y ago
  Yea that's the tweet. First, it simply doesn't match people's own experiences, or the govt's own data. The tweet says ground beef is down 8%. However, somehow, in September (just 2 months later) inflation data showed beef was up 12% YOY: https://www.npr.org/2021/09/14/1036678722/chicken-beef-pork-meat-prices-inflation-biden https://www.npr.org/2021/09/14/1036678722/chicken-beef-pork-... Secondly, to somehow think 16 cents -- in the middle of a pandemic -- is worth a high-five, a bunch of jokes, and evidence that "the Biden economic plan is working" (what economic plan? nothing has passed yet), just shows that this administration is absolutely tone-deaf when it comes to the people it supposedly represents.
  - angelzen 5y ago
    Yeltsin Era.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    > Secondly, to somehow think 16 cents -- in the middle of a pandemic -- is worth a high-five, a bunch of jokes, and evidence that "the Biden economic plan is working" (what economic plan? nothing has passed yet), just shows that this administration is absolutely tone-deaf when it comes to the people it supposedly represents. I think a mere "it hasn't gone up" would be a reasonable thing to be happy about among all the inflation. I wouldn't say "the Biden economic plan is working" about it but I feel like the criticism went to unreasonable places.
- vxNsr 5y ago
  You’re right. Sorry I did see that tweet when it originally was posted, in previous calculations I remembered there being other foods, which they took out to get to their calculations. and this year they congratulated themselves by taking it out to save money. I commented off the cuff at 3am my time, I should have done a litte bit of research beforehand.

by vxNsr 5y ago

Dylan16807 5y ago

Where? I'm searching that number and I can't find anything. I found this, which is comparing the same quantities and has five pounds of meat. https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1410709115333234691 https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1410709115333234691 There's a bunch of complaints about other prices, and people pointing out the prices are up 8% since 2019, but I don't see anything about "cutting out all the meat" and I don't see the number 49 anywhere. And the ground beef had the second biggest percent drop in price in that list, anyway.

notafraudster 5y ago
The Tweet you noted is the official tweet on this. The parent quote is relying on existing "rebuttals" of that post by conservatives, which have eventually become broken telephone to the degree that the parent comment believes Joe Biden banned meat to falsely reduce the cost of July 4th. It's funny because the actual quote is stupid enough -- trying to emphasize some marginal rounding error national savings on 5 pounds of meat when the entire world has been exploded for the last two years is a baffling claim and an obvious attempt to put lipstick on the whole situation, these guys are absolute clowns, and the April-onwards hubris of "COVID's over, we saved the day!!!" is just a national embarrassment. The specific "ban meat" bugbear has been a very active talking point among conservatives. You see, the Green New Deal (which is predicted in the book of Revelation) involves Andrea McDonald-Cortisol personally banning you from eating meat. The ground truth at the heart of it is that the Green New Deal, which is as much an expression of intent as it is an actual policy document, correctly notes that cattle raised for beef contribute to greenhouse gasses (both through methane production, CO2 production, and clear-cutting of valuable carbon sinks to produce grazeland). This is of course indisputably true. The document doesn't actually prescribe any restrictions on meat so much as it acknowledges that the size of meat's contribution to our climate economics makes it unlikely we'll hit long term targets without rethinking our relationship with meat. Compound that with the fact that some liberals, including Barack Hussein Obama's awful wife!!!!, did initiatives like a "meatless monday", and you have all the proof you need that liberals are banning your meat. It is less clear to me who is the first particular commentator to combine the "Biden is going to ban meat (and guns, and god, and everything else you hold dear, which is not a surprise because he stole the election, and he's senile)" argument and the "Biden claimed the 4th of July will be cheaper which is false because we have Zimbabwe level inflation" argument. A few random sources of very concerned RW commentators talking about liberals taking away your meat, all before the present controversy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/03/01/latest-right-wing-attack-democrats-they-want-take-away-your-hamburgers/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/03/01/latest-righ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/26/republicans-meat-biden-climate-plan/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/26/republicans... https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/26/politics/fact-check-biden-climate-plan-red-meat-hamburger/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/26/politics/fact-check-biden...
- angelzen 5y ago
  As a commentary on the power of information bubbles, I weakly follow a handful of conservative figures. Yet this is the first time I hear about this particular Joe Biden comment, forget about him banning meat to accomplish the feat. Funny enough, I just noticed that your sources are liberals dunking on conservatives. Oh dear, this is as far deep down the partisan insanity of contemporary US discourse as I'm willing to go.
- vxNsr 5y ago
  Lol. That’s quite the strawman you built me up to be. I saw the original tweet back when it was posted, I just remembered previous years had buns for those burgers, I misremembered what they had taken out and commented off the cuff. No where did I say I thought Biden was taking away my meats (smoked or otherwise), I’m not really sure how to respond to any of the other lies you posted about me but to call them outright lies that shouldn’t be part of any civil conversation between two human beings that don’t know each other. It strikes me that you came up with a conspiracy about me to lampoon right wing conspiracy theorists. Who really is more ready to believe lies?
listenallyall 5y ago
Yea that's the tweet. First, it simply doesn't match people's own experiences, or the govt's own data. The tweet says ground beef is down 8%. However, somehow, in September (just 2 months later) inflation data showed beef was up 12% YOY: https://www.npr.org/2021/09/14/1036678722/chicken-beef-pork-meat-prices-inflation-biden https://www.npr.org/2021/09/14/1036678722/chicken-beef-pork-... Secondly, to somehow think 16 cents -- in the middle of a pandemic -- is worth a high-five, a bunch of jokes, and evidence that "the Biden economic plan is working" (what economic plan? nothing has passed yet), just shows that this administration is absolutely tone-deaf when it comes to the people it supposedly represents.
- angelzen 5y ago
  Yeltsin Era.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  > Secondly, to somehow think 16 cents -- in the middle of a pandemic -- is worth a high-five, a bunch of jokes, and evidence that "the Biden economic plan is working" (what economic plan? nothing has passed yet), just shows that this administration is absolutely tone-deaf when it comes to the people it supposedly represents. I think a mere "it hasn't gone up" would be a reasonable thing to be happy about among all the inflation. I wouldn't say "the Biden economic plan is working" about it but I feel like the criticism went to unreasonable places.
vxNsr 5y ago
You’re right. Sorry I did see that tweet when it originally was posted, in previous calculations I remembered there being other foods, which they took out to get to their calculations. and this year they congratulated themselves by taking it out to save money. I commented off the cuff at 3am my time, I should have done a litte bit of research beforehand.