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I take it you both also boycott Sony Music Group?

wizzwizz4 5y ago
I mean… lots of people do. Personally, I've never bought from them; wouldn't really call it a boycott on my part, though.
- eliaspro 5y ago
  Took them off my "don't buy" list when my smartphone broke and I immediately needed a replacement and the only reasonable one available at my local store was a Sony Xperia XZS. I still regret it to this day. Worst 499€ ever spent.
7thaccount 5y ago
For the spyware/DRM on CDs in the early 2000's? It helps that I mostly just listen to music on YouTube. It's a little easier to remember to not buy something when you're buying a company product like "Lenovo" I guess than something nebulous like Sony Music.
- DaiPlusPlus 5y ago
  A sizeable chunk of artists you likely listen to are still part of Sony Music.
kadoban 5y ago
I still do. One rootkit per lifetime is enough. Probably has cost them $5000 by now from me.
- inside65 5y ago
  Actually it hasn't cost them anything.
B1FF_PSUVM 5y ago
I haven't bought a Sony branded anything since 2000 or so. I almost forgot what it was about (yeah, the CD root kit and the battery-draining DRM shenanigans). I just put them out of consideration for any purchase. (Yeah, I know, "not really the same company, etc". It is, and it's the brand. Live by it, die by it.)
playpause 5y ago
If boycotting something comes at a personal cost to the boycotter (such as having to put up with a lesser product that fits their principles better), and they don't have the time or energy to boycott everything that challenges their principles, does that mean they should boycott nothing at all?
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  "they don't have the time or energy to boycott everything that challenges their principles" Or maybe they don't want to live in a cave. If my principles are "carbon neutral, no spyware, workers were not exploited", I think there are zero washing machines, cars and TVs that meet those criteria.
  - fennecfoxen 5y ago
    > If my principles are "carbon neutral, no spyware, workers were not exploited", I think there are zero washing machines What are you talking about? Check out these bad boys ;) https://www.lehmans.com/category/washers_and_wash_day_accessories https://www.lehmans.com/category/washers_and_wash_day_access...
  - xeromal 5y ago
    I doubt there's not even a single computer that can pull that off. Somewhere in the chain was exploitation of workers.
- bentcorner 5y ago
  Additionally the values of one person varies to the next. To post a question of "do you also boycott X" as some kind of gotcha because of perceived shared values seems presumptuous at best.
- lmm 5y ago
  You should set a standard you can live with. If you're boycotting one company for something that you tolerate dozens of other companies doing, you should probably reconsider.

I mean… lots of people do. Personally, I've never bought from them; wouldn't really call it a boycott on my part, though.

eliaspro 5y ago
Took them off my "don't buy" list when my smartphone broke and I immediately needed a replacement and the only reasonable one available at my local store was a Sony Xperia XZS. I still regret it to this day. Worst 499€ ever spent.

7thaccount 5y ago

For the spyware/DRM on CDs in the early 2000's? It helps that I mostly just listen to music on YouTube. It's a little easier to remember to not buy something when you're buying a company product like "Lenovo" I guess than something nebulous like Sony Music.

DaiPlusPlus 5y ago
A sizeable chunk of artists you likely listen to are still part of Sony Music.

kadoban 5y ago

I still do. One rootkit per lifetime is enough. Probably has cost them $5000 by now from me.

inside65 5y ago
Actually it hasn't cost them anything.

B1FF_PSUVM 5y ago

I haven't bought a Sony branded anything since 2000 or so. I almost forgot what it was about (yeah, the CD root kit and the battery-draining DRM shenanigans). I just put them out of consideration for any purchase. (Yeah, I know, "not really the same company, etc". It is, and it's the brand. Live by it, die by it.)

playpause 5y ago

If boycotting something comes at a personal cost to the boycotter (such as having to put up with a lesser product that fits their principles better), and they don't have the time or energy to boycott everything that challenges their principles, does that mean they should boycott nothing at all?

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
"they don't have the time or energy to boycott everything that challenges their principles" Or maybe they don't want to live in a cave. If my principles are "carbon neutral, no spyware, workers were not exploited", I think there are zero washing machines, cars and TVs that meet those criteria.
- fennecfoxen 5y ago
  > If my principles are "carbon neutral, no spyware, workers were not exploited", I think there are zero washing machines What are you talking about? Check out these bad boys ;) https://www.lehmans.com/category/washers_and_wash_day_accessories https://www.lehmans.com/category/washers_and_wash_day_access...
- xeromal 5y ago
  I doubt there's not even a single computer that can pull that off. Somewhere in the chain was exploitation of workers.
bentcorner 5y ago
Additionally the values of one person varies to the next. To post a question of "do you also boycott X" as some kind of gotcha because of perceived shared values seems presumptuous at best.
lmm 5y ago
You should set a standard you can live with. If you're boycotting one company for something that you tolerate dozens of other companies doing, you should probably reconsider.